Posted on 02/10/2024 1:02:42 AM PST by canuck_conservative
... The Russian president argued that Poland was to blame for Hitler's decision to invade, claiming the Warsaw "went too far" by balking at the annexation of part of its territory.
Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski suggested in a post to X, formerly Twitter, on Friday that Putin was "paranoid" and called it "shocking" that Carlson "enabled" the Russian president by giving him a platform to spread his false claims and rhetoric.
Sikorski .. also noted that Hitler was joined in invading Poland by the Soviet Union, which was an ally to Nazi Germany for nearly the first two years of the war...
According to a verified translation of Putin's remarks during the Carlson interview, the Russian president claimed that Poland "forced" Hitler to invade by being "uncooperative" with Nazi demands to take territories including Polish city Gdańsk, then known as Danzig.
"[Poland] rejected Hitler's demands," Putin said. "Since [Poland] did not give up the Danzig corridor, the Poles nevertheless forced him. They got carried away and forced Hitler to start the Second World War against them first." ...
Putin's claim that Hitler had "no choice" but to invade Poland is not supported by historical evidence.
According to The National WWII Museum, Hitler set the stage for the invasion by making "it look as if the Poles had provoked the hostilities and the SS obliged by staging numerous false-flag operations and 'Polish provocations' against Germans."
The Russian president's 2022 annexation of parts of Ukraine prompted some to draw parallels with Hitler's actions during the early days of World War II.
Notably, Hitler justified Germany's ambitions to take Gdańsk/Danzig by citing the large number of pro-Nazi German speakers in the city at the time, a similar argument to Putin's claims about Russian speakers in Ukraine's Donbas region....
(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...
i’ve also noted on another thread how Putin’s aggression lost Ukraine.
i’ve lived in Poland since 2010 and known a few Ukrainians since then:
Until 2014 the Ukrainians in Poland were far, far from Ukrainian patriots. Most were really “blah” about Ukraine. They were mostly “I’m from ‘this town’” and in Warsaw we heard Russian more than Ukrainian from Ukrainians (from my wife’s friends).
Then from 2014 onwards we saw more Ukrainians like “we are, ahem, Ukrainian” - lukewarm, but warmer than before.
From 2022 we see a massive upsurge in Ukrainian patriotism - even the ones who natively speak Russian changed it to Ukrainian.
Putin HAD Ukraine in 2013 - he could have let it get absorbed by Russia’s soft power. But his hubris got the better of him.
today, even if he wins some or more territory, he’s created a Ukrainian nation story of Nazi Russia invading. It would take generations before this is forgiven - and only if Muscowy asks for forgiveness (which I doubt they will)
Always good to hear for Nanuck Cuck!
There was no coup in Ukraine - that’s another one of Putin’s propaganda points.
The Ukrainian pro-Putin president reneged on his promise to bring the country closer to the west and people protested. He sent in militia to attack (think Tianemen square) but that only made the opposition to him stronger. Finally Yanukovych fled and the parliament impeached him.
Po-tay-toe, pah-tah-toe. It was a coup.
Hanoi Jane wasn’t a respected reporter - she was a commie-loving traitor.
While Putin got to make a few comments we can all disagree with - he nailed us to the cross with truths about the Biden Admin.
Let’s not say someone smells bad when we’re wallowing in our own shit.
Gdansk (Danzig) was under the control of Moscow through their puppet regime in Warszawa from about 1944 to 1989.
—”Hanoi Jane wasn’t a respected reporter”
And neither is Carlson, he is a political commentator.
Unfortunately, as you may have noticed, there are very few “respected reporters”.
Why was only Carlson given an interview out of the many requests for a Putin interview?
Why has Carlson a Conservative become a supporter of Commie Putin? Does he happen to need the ratings on X?
And the “respected reporters” over at XYZ do not need ratings?
Its a little more complicated than that. It was ceded to Poland by the League of Nations upon the defeat of Germany in WWI. And, even then not really under the control of Poland completely. So Hitler was trying to unwind some League of Nations hi-jinks not really seize some territory from an historic owner. Not that it matters legally.
Well, the free city of Danzig and the ‘Polish Corridor’ had been carved out of Germany after World War I.
“Don’t change the subject,”
The subject is Putin’s interview, and the poster asked you what you thought of Putin’s comment about Canada honoring Nazis. Seems a fair question, or do you just want to only bring up specific things about that interview not embarrassing to the socialist nation of Canada? You know, the same socialists in Canada as the Nazi, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party? No difference, really.
In the 1920s, the Poles knew they most likely wouldn’t be able to keep Danzig, so they built their own port in Gdynia.
In 1970 there were riots in Gdańsk, the military police shot at and killed 9 of the protesting workers at the shipyard.
This was the watershed event that ultimately gave birth to Solidarity.
Indeed, I think that was Putin’s big miscalculation.
Carlson was pilloried because he spoke too much truth - what makes you believe he’s a Putin supporter?
Ukrainians protested Yanukovych not fulfilling his campaign promises of closer economic ties to the EU as they had the right to do under the Ukrainian Constitution. He ordered that the police open fire on them. 108 Ukrainians were killed. Then scared to death about what he had done he fled the country with a big percentage of the Ukrainian treasury. He abandoned his job. The next day the Parliament voted to remove him from office, as the law allowed. It wasn’t a coup, the man abandoned his job. Three months later the people of the country held an election and elected someone who was willing to show up.
Yanukovych, a russian puppet, ran away whilst he was still President and relinquished his role, never returning to Ukraine.
Yanukovich could have stayed, he could have plead his case. He could have made the public arguement for why he did what he did. He didn’t do that though. Instead he burned a bunch of documents, packed a suitcase full of cash and fled in the middle of the night.
There was no armed uprising
There was no fifth column.
There wasn’t even a singular political leader who opposed him who stepped into his role. Ukraine had a short lived provisional government until a new election was held. Their constitution was never suspended
Ukraine, like every other democracy, has acts in place that deal with an absent leader and enacted them accordingly.
Russia decided to call this a coup in an effort to de-legitimise the Ukrainian government because it objected to the removal of its puppet. It did not like the idea of a free democratic nation on its border.
"Germany" in 1914 had carved up a number of neighbors, so when it (and Hungary) were carved up after losing, that's when the lands went to other states.
However all of that is moot - Hitler wanted to eliminate Poland as a whole - and he did that between 1939 to 1945 - Gdansk/Danzig was an excuse.
It all happened under Obama. That communist “community organizer” set the world on fire when we had the “Arab Spring in the 2010s and the Ukrainian coup in 2014.
The Ukraine is a victim of both Russia and America but America, due to its actions under the “Democratic” Party rule, is more culpable than Russia and the American leftists have much to be ashamed about.
I see from your comments that your FR handle is very accurate. Thanks for being so honest about your intellectual powers.
—” what makes you believe he’s a Putin supporter?”
He has been echoing the Russian line for some time.
What makes you think he is a conservative?
For years he worked at CNN—PBS—MSNBS
A registered dem until 2020
Until he went to Fox he was well-liked by the progs.
Normal career path for a “respected reporter”
A friend of a friend was the editor of the local paper.
He was a fun guy, smart as a whip, well-educated, hard left/commie, and his income was below an average church mouse. He had some published poetry that allowed him to buy some food.
He said he could easily make real money but would have to change his political views, and it was not to his liking.
Carlson has a malleable viewpoint.
If you do not like this POV, he has others for sale.
IMO this is very common among pols and “respected reporters.”
They find what works and go with it.
—” Thanks for being so honest about your intellectual powers.”
I make no claims but am very proud of my service.
My service also helped me to marry well above my station and have a comfortable life and family.
My wife does most of the intense thinking in our house, she was a Lincoln scholar at U of I and a homecoming queen.
My wife’s father was a US NAVY ship’s Doctor in WWII & Korea, he had a marked preference for Veterans, yes even me.
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