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The High Price of Losing Ukraine
Institute for the Study of War ^ | December 22, 2023 | Institute for the Study of War

Posted on 02/02/2024 10:01:15 AM PST by TheConservator

Part 1: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

Part 2: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine-part-2-%E2%80%94-military-threat-and-beyond


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: 1637borders; 1912borders; ciafuckedupagainlol; dodindustrialcomplex; geostrategy; globalistpropaganda; neoconbs; neoconnonsense; nulandthinktank; ottomanproperty; propaganda; russia; ukraine; unitedstates; warpigs; zeepercreepers
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To: TheConservator

Give the Ottomans their property back.


61 posted on 02/02/2024 11:38:26 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Yeah, well I don’t mind hating neocons. I am all good with it. I would not change that for a minute.


62 posted on 02/02/2024 11:56:46 AM PST by dforest
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To: JonPreston
Robert Kagan......Wasn't he the guy that wrote a Washington Post article suggesting extreme measures if Trump is elected President in 2024? Same Robert Kagan?

Bill Kristol?

Victoria Nuland aka Nurse Ratched?

Its like a who's who of scumbags...

63 posted on 02/02/2024 12:02:27 PM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: Justa

As a Floridian,I love your tag line.
Seven months of Spring,five months of Summer.


64 posted on 02/02/2024 12:07:18 PM PST by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

A border is still a border...despite the length.


65 posted on 02/02/2024 12:07:43 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; kaktuskid
Norway is a long term NATO member. It borders Russia.

I would add to Ultra's points the following:

Norway's location across the North Sea and Norwegian Sea from the United Kingdom and Iceland, respectively, also makes it a natural fit for an international alliance like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Norway may have joined NATO for its own defense purposes, but it also provides value to the NATO alliance for its polar location and to help in defending critical sea lanes.

66 posted on 02/02/2024 12:08:09 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: JonPreston

I’m working on it - a table - I need the HTML exercise.

Rows, with 4 people per row.


67 posted on 02/02/2024 12:09:48 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Alberta's Child

Russia’s army is right up against NATO’s border because NATO has expanded to include countries that border Russia. That has nothing to do with Ukraine.


And everything to do with Russia’s history, both historically and recently, of genocide and colonialization of its neighbors. Unsuprisingly, Russia’s neigbhors have little interest in Moscow destroying their cities and murdering their children ever again. Sitting safely and comfortably at your computer I can understand why that might be hard to understand.


68 posted on 02/02/2024 12:26:29 PM PST by lodi90
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To: kaktuskid

The last I checked Norway 1) doesn’t have 600,000 man army backed up with billions of dollars of weapons from NATO and 2) doesn’t have an ethnic Russian population that is being persecuted.


69 posted on 02/02/2024 12:28:38 PM PST by Kazan
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To: lodi90
And everything to do with Russia’s history, both historically and recently, of genocide and colonialization of its neighbors

So, Hitler and the Nazis slaughtered six million Jews. Klaus Schwab is German and wants to kill billions. Should we hate Germany and Germans because that? Or do countries change over time?

You're point is imbecilic.

70 posted on 02/02/2024 12:31:31 PM PST by Kazan
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To: lodi90
I don't even know what that post is supposed to mean.

I'm sure most countries in the world would love to be part of NATO and have the U.S. taxpayer pay for their protection.

I'm not questioning why these countries would want to be part of NATO. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of the point made by the authors of this article -- who are suggesting that a problem the U.S. brought on itself over the last 30 years is somehow the overriding concern in all matters related to our dealings in Ukraine today.

I'm also questioning why it's in the best interests of the United States to let them into NATO and obligate ourselves to them.

71 posted on 02/02/2024 12:39:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: JonPreston
Leadership at ISW

Click on pic for full bio.


General Jack Keane

Dr. Kimberly Kagan

Gina Vaughn

Jennifer Cafarella

Brian Babcock-Lumish

Alexander Mitchell

Lisa Suchy

Stephen Gailliot

Sydney Fuqua

Madiha Abrar

Evan Moore

Madeline Shaffer


Fellows at ISW

Click on pic for full bio.


Mason Clark

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(US Army, Retired)

Matthew McInnis

Nataliya Bugayova

Elsa Kania

Stephen Gordon



72 posted on 02/02/2024 12:51:40 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

💯👍


73 posted on 02/02/2024 12:59:40 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: dforest

Look up ULTRACREPIDARIAN. Maybe form a society.


74 posted on 02/02/2024 1:46:16 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: TheConservator

If there’s such a high price for losing, then why did we start it?


75 posted on 02/02/2024 3:34:36 PM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: JonPreston

Nuland is Hillary! without the cackle and the head-bobbing disorder.


76 posted on 02/02/2024 5:43:50 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: VTenigma
If there’s such a high price for losing, then why did we start it?

We didn't. It was Moscovite aggression going back to 2014. Moscow didn't expect Ukraine to fight back, but it did.

77 posted on 02/02/2024 8:49:43 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: VTenigma

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9476/CBP-9476.pdf

That’s a 39 page download. Read it. Carefully. There will be a quiz.


78 posted on 02/02/2024 8:54:55 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Obama , Nuland, And Biden had nothing to do with it. What color is the sky in your world?


79 posted on 02/02/2024 9:25:38 PM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: VTenigma

Didn’t even read it, did you.


80 posted on 02/02/2024 9:31:47 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan
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