Posted on 12/29/2023 7:52:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The Nikki Haley slavery tempest in a teapot continues to roil some circles.
For those who have a life and have been spending it with family and friends this Christmas, some background: The candidate for the Republican presidential nomination is in political hot water for her answer to a questioner at a New Hampshire campaign event in which she failed to list “slavery” among the causes of the American Civil War.
She’s subsequently admitted slavery was among those causes, while adding that she thought the question was posed by a Democrat plant in the audience.
The New York Times continues to stoke the story, claiming her answer could “dent her crossover appeal to independents and moderate Democrats.”
Three thoughts:
First, NEWS FLASH: For many of us challenged by the cost of living, the rise in crime, the influx of illegal aliens, and the woke agenda being pushed on cultural-social issues, the enumeration and hierarchy of causes for why something happened 163 years ago is something we do not care about. I’ll even venture to say that unless those “independents” caucus with the Democrats in legislative bodies, they also probably are not burning with concern about the ranked causes of the Civil War.
Second, the Democrat reaction to “of course it was about slavery” is rather rich. Given the historical illiteracy that dominates our schools (we have no time to teach history after spending time on gender, sex, and critical race theory lessons), let’s recall a few facts.
It was South Carolina Democrats, not a South Carolina Republican, who initiated the treason of secession.
It was mostly Democrats who, in the last days of the Democrat Buchanan administration, tried to amend the U.S. Constitution to preserve the Missouri Compromise and, thus, preserve slavery.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
It was Democrats who were for “popular sovereignty,” i.e., whether slavery would exist in a territory would depend on the vote of its residents. Popular sovereignty was the standard of the 1860 Northern Democrat presidential nominee, Stephen Douglas.
The real insurrectionists whom the South sent back to Congress under the terms of Lincoln’s “moderate” Reconstruction plan—those for whom section 3 of the 14th Amendment was written—were Democrats.
The party that wanted to preserve slavery were the Democrats, especially southern Democrats.
REMIND EVERYONE OF THAT !!
Not ready for the big leagues.
Don’t care about Nikki... she is not for us conservatives. She is a democrat.
There was no treason in succession. That is a myth. The states had an absolute right to withdraw from the union Should they choose to do so. We know this because of the clear language of the 10th amendment to the constitution, which would not have been ratified by some states without it.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The power to admit, new states was delegated by the states to the United States Congress. The Constitution is silent as to how states withdrawal. The 10th amendment says that power is retained by the states and the people. And that is that.
Congress had declared no war against the south. Under what authority did Lincoln have the right to call for 75,000 volunteers to fight a war against his own countryman? That call for volunteers to fight Americans was the end of the United States union. States like Virginia that were still in the union quit almost immediately. Lincoln’s act was treason.
“Democrats started the Civil War because they feared Republicans would free their slaves. Next Question.”
(Whether accurate, or complete, that is the correct answer to a question by a troll or plant.)
Republicans don’t play hard ball.
They barely play beach ball.
Republicans play no ball(s).
When anyone is asked about Lincoln’s War in public, the first thing to say is: “I condemn slavery in the strongest possible terms.”
Then fill in some of the details: the two belligerents in the war both had pro-slavery constitutions. Both belligerents had presidents - Lincoln and Davis - who took oaths to protect and defend their pro-slavery constitutions.
The most powerful slave owning nation on earth destroyed the smaller slave owning nation.
Later the victors forced the adoption of the homosexual marriage constitutional amendment that included a secret provision to prohibit Donald Trump from running for president in 2024.
I condemn slavery in the strongest possible terms.
The Supreme Court has ruled otherwise. The Constitution is a binding document. When Hawaii petitioned to join the Union around 1950, the terms of admission were that Hawaiians had to approve statehood by a 90% majority in a plebiscite. Given memories of recent Japanese treatment of occupied islands, including Guam and the Aleutians that was not too high a bar.
No. Not just “No”, Hell No. If you are explaining you are losing. A troll question deserves a dismissive (brief) answer. One sentence.
“In regards to the subject of slavery, I’m agin it.”
“The states had an absolute right to withdraw from the union”
The Articles of Confederation formed a permanent union of the signatory states.
from Article VI of the Constitution:
“All...engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution...shall be as valid against the United States...as under the confederation.”
The Dem response would be that those ASouthern Dems switched to GOP after Nixon’s “Southern strategy”.
She can't do that because she's trying to get Democrats to vote for her in Republican primaries.
George McLellan and the Democrats wanted to appease the south and allow slavery to continue... They were thankfully defeated by Lincoln and the Republicans.
BTW - I had a great great uncle from Massachusetts who fought for the Union and lost an eye and hand, and 3 first cousins from Pennsylvania (two of whom died, one at Gettysburg and one in Maryland) and another who was captured at Spotsylvania courthouse, sent to Andersonville prisoner of war camp and he actually survived.
When will their descendants get the ‘reparations’ they deserve for the sacrifices their kin made during the civil war, freeing slaves.
Even if South Carolina had the right to withdraw, it did not have the right to fire upon Fort Sumter.
Doing so was an act of war.
No, Republicans need to learn to play hardball and, among other things, send Haley the way of Mike Pence.
Nonsense. It was about money.
The federal government’s main revenue source was the excessive tariffs imposed on the exports from the south. When the south sought to leave, the feds would have lost their tax base. It essentially was an IRS raid (Yeah, I know. The IRS did not exist then.)
If it was about slavery, why didn’t emancipation occur and then the war? Nope. Emancipation occurred years into the conflict to tried to create a line behind the Confederates, as Lincoln believed that slaves would rise up and fight. If it was about slavery, why didn’t we go after Indian tribes, some of whom kept slaves until the 20th century?
The slavery line is used as a tool by both parties to say, see! Look at what we did for you! No one is truly free until they take their freedom of their own accord. As long as it remains a, look what we did for you, you are still beholden to your master who freed you.
“In the 1864 U.S. presidential election, the Democrats nominated Union Army General George McClellan for U.S. President and Ohio U.S. Representative George Pendleton (who later became notable for the Pendleton Act) for U.S. Vice President. During the campaign, McClellan vowed to do a better job of prosecuting the Union Army effort in the American Civil War than incumbent U.S. President Abraham Lincoln did. Ultimately, the McClellan-Pendleton ticket lost to the National Union ticket of Abraham Lincoln and former U.S. Senator Andrew Johnson.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McClellan_1864_presidential_campaign
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