NY Times Op-Ed: Trump Is a ‘Moderate’

Breitbart ^ | 12/18/2023 | Neil Munro

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Trump is pretty much a moderate, let's do what works kind of guy.

Which is why I never understood the hysteria unless it is because he does want to do things that actually work.

After all if the country is actually functioning like a very creaky, smoking machine that lurches a bit but keeps going forward things are still working.

And there are people who do not want that. They prefer smoldering wreckage.

[freepersup]

Trump’s VP pick is all the more important.

[From The Deer Stand]

NYT has been reduced to birdcage material for some time now.

[rlmorel]

I believe it is an issue of authenticity.

Trump may be mercurial. He may be erratic. He may not think before speaking. He may be disrespectful to people who are antagonizing him. He may be flat out wrong on some issues.

But there is one thing that Trump IS:

Authentic.

He is what he is, good and bad. He isn’t a “put up a finger to see which way the wind blows” kind of person, and he isn’t a candidate for “panel tested stances or speeches”.

So, with all his warts, that is why we support him, those of of us who do.

When they let “Trump Be Trump”, you can see just who and what he is. Contrast that with people like nearly every single modern politician we have seen in the Oval Office. People who are smooth. Well spoken. Have tailor fitted suits and hair that looks perfectly coiffed. Wonky on issues, professing to know them from top-to-bottom.

I have seen those people. I abhor them. I’ll take someone who is crass, unattractive in the traditional sense, doesn’t play well with some people, insults people, or calls them names, as long as he does what is right for this country.

And that is why they hate him, they fear him, and want to destroy him. They cannot control him. And they don’t like that. He isn’t part of the “controlled opposition”.

And I say: Good.

[nickcarraway]

He was the only candidate that the voters believe would fight for them through thick and thin. People don't want to hear it, but the fact is every single person Trump put in his administration was RINO/Deep State. Even Bush reached across the aisle and put in a few token conservatives. He did some good things, like the Abraham Accords and energy policy, but basically he turned the country over to the Deep State. How many people that he picked for his administration does anyone here defend? Some were even kept by Biden. Sorry, those are facts.

[Montana_Sam]

“Donald Trump governed like a 1970’s Moderate-Liberal Democrat (think Scoop Jackson with a personality).”

Point well made.
Have mentioned to progressives/Democrats in my circle a number of times that Trump is really the last great Democrat President. And have referenced Scoop Jackson (so was pleased to see your comment making that association). Few progressives get it.

[Freest Republican]

Down fr all 4000 to just the administration?

google can provide a detailed list of Trump admin accomplishments.

reconcile that to every admin selection was poor.

No one defends any of them except they were defended here maybe more than any other site on earth.

Sorry, those are the facts.

[Freest Republican]

Instead of reposting it another 1000 times-

share the relevance?

Did he make these poor selections purposely?

Same guy that runs an multi-billion dollar international conglomerate can’t pick people?

Is the expectation for 2024 the same?

Should we be voting for someone else?

Is there relevance beyond never Trumping?

[griswold3]

Yes. Why did the NYT publish such a piece? Pass the popcorn.

[nickcarraway]

Can you translate that to English?

[nickcarraway]

Can you translate that to English?

[nickcarraway]

Down fr all 4000 to just the administration?

What does that mean?> google can provide a detailed list of Trump admin accomplishments.

I am talking about conservative accomplishments. Spending levels that made Obama look like a fiscal conservative, and allowing a record number of illegals pouring in the country, until COVID. Oh, and the whole COVID handling. You consider that an achievement. Also, I didn't consider putting Dr. Fauci in charge of the country anything to brag about. reconcile that to every admin selection was poor.

What does that mean? No one defends any of them except they were defended here maybe more than any other site on earth.

Well, why weren't they defended?

[nickcarraway]

Did he make these poor selections purposely?

You tell me. But it's amazing he achieved a 100% success rate if it wasn't on purpose. Either way, it's hard to call that good leadership, unless you love the Deep State.

Same guy that runs an multi-billion dollar international conglomerate can’t pick people?

LOL. Many of the people he hired were awful. And how many times did he have a bankruptcy? Her had to be bailed out by a sheik in the 90s and George Soros around 2004. The whole business model was based on getting government assistance from Democrat politicians. Oh, and eminent domain. Is the expectation for 2024 the same?

If he gets elected. Should we be voting for someone else?

It's too late. No choice. Is there relevance beyond never Trumping?

I though never trumping was say he is "too conservative." I have never said, or even thought, such a thing. Quite the opposite. I didn't agree with all the prosecutions and impeachments against him. But I only support conservatives, and I don't support Deep Staters. You have choice to support them, I think your making a mistake. You want me to supplicate to the Deep State, I say no.

[central_va]

The first two years 2017, 2018 P. Ryano & Co. were in charge of spending. Remember?

[central_va]

hgogal posted:

Which POTUS was as successful as Trump? Look at what Trump accomplished:

1. Gas price per gallon was about $2.30;
2. Inflation about 1.4%, mortgage rates were half of what they are now;
3. Unemployment was low before Covid and before Blue Governors shut everything down and we were in the midst of a V-shape recovery until January 22, 2021;
4. Tax decrease; tax laws promoted small businesses as well as large;
5. US enjoyed energy independence - No Green Agenda, no war on energy, No Paris Treaty;
6. No war in Ukraine, no threat of nuclear war, NATO paid its way;
7. China was quiet and we were winning the trade war;
8. US companies were bringing home the jobs due to well executed tax treatments;
9. Peace in the Middle East aka Abraham Accords; US Embassy moved to Jerusalem; and Iran was isolated.
10. Got three non-left “I don't know what a woman is” Supreme Court Justices on the bench allowing Roe vs Wade to be overturned.

Who the heck can accomplish the above in four years while being impeached twice and investigated by Obama's Weaponized Agencies?

[nickcarraway]

I said I approved of the energy policy and the Abraham Accords.

#6 - He continued Obama's wars in Afghanistan and Yemen. The tax cut was smaller than Bush's, and it was accompanied by a hockey stick growth in spending over Obama's.

Do you support the fact every single person Trump put in his administration was Deep State/RINO?

[central_va]

Spending is congresses job and your RINO boy, Paul Ryano & Co, had control over that for the first two years of Trump’s Presidency. Looks like Meatballs are not on the menu....

[nickcarraway]

Spending is congresses job

So you are saying the Tea Party movement was a lie, and Obama was an innocent little lamb? and your RINO boy, Paul Ryan

That's a lie. Find one post I ever praised Paul Ryan.

[nickcarraway]

LOL. Trump said he would FIGHT the establishment, which he never did once he got inaugurated. Remember, he ended all opposition to ACA. And you seem to be saying the second two years with Pelosi were better?

Conservatives used to love Scalia and dislike Anthony Kennedy, until Trump reversed that, and put those libs on the Supreme Court?

Why don't you be a conservative and stop bowing down to the Deep State?

[Freest Republican]

So he purposely sabotaged himself?

95% of all businesses fail, most do not have financial wherewithal to get bailout.

No it’s not that simple being an over leveraged international real estate mogul. The government bailed them all out with 0% rates for 10yrs. LOL the guy operates a real estate empire in NY and NJ but can’t pick people.

So that’s a NO on the similar expectations as obv he won’t be listening Christie and has four years of imbeciles exposing themselves to be avoided.

I never said that you were never Trump, merely pointed out this only relevant to them. Some kind of pretzel logic to end with Trump supporters support deep state.

This after we’ve been through experienced lifetimers make bad choices. Inexperienced, unexpectedly elected are going to fare worse esp when 90% of industry/institution/billionaires are colluding/conspiring against him.

Thanks, maybe add in the future the belief that he sabotaged his own administration to add clarity to the relevance.