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Ukraine may lose war in summer if military aid from America and EU comes to end, US official says
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | December 17th, 2023 | James Kilner

Posted on 12/17/2023 4:34:57 PM PST by Mariner

Ukraine faces defeat as early as next summer if American and Nato military aid dries up, a senior US official has warned.

Vladimir Putin’s chances of victory have been buoyed by war fatigue and blocks on funding in both America and the EU.

“There is no guarantee of success with us, but they are certain to fail without us,” a senior US military source told CNN.

Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s prime minister, last week blocked a £43 billion EU aid package for Ukraine.

Austria had also threatened to block the bill until Kyiv toned down criticism of an Austrian bank still working in Russia.

Western planners working on ‘worst-case scenario’

In the US, the Senate has held up a £48 billion military support bill for Ukraine and polls have shown that most Americans think that the US government is overspending in Ukraine.

Western military planners are now working on a “worst-case scenario” of Ukraine without aid being defeated by Russia within a few months, according to CNN which a source described as a “disaster” for European security.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 10percent4bigguy; aid; angryneoconsbelow; defeat; europe; jameskilner; letcanadapayforit; thatsashame; uketards; ukiesontherun; ukraine; ukraineislosing; war; zelenskyworshippers
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To: USA-FRANCE; Navy Patriot; MinorityRepublican
He has killed 300.000 Russian soldiers on the killing-fields of Ukraine. He has actually killed 4 times more Russians than Ukrainians!

Ukraine's losses:

$60bn of US funding for Ukraine

€50bn of EU funding for Ukraine


81 posted on 12/17/2023 8:01:25 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: CatHerd; USA-FRANCE
...you Frenchies were and still are the nastiest of colonialists.

That's true, I'll bet Joan of Arc was surprised when French Collaborators turned her over to the English to be burned at the stake.

Oh well, it's just your average Frog, Stabbing a French Saint in the back.

82 posted on 12/17/2023 8:14:12 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: CatHerd

The Belgians were much worse than the French as colonialists.


83 posted on 12/17/2023 8:20:29 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yeah, well, they still celebrate their atheist head-chopping revolution fearuring oodles of murdered Christians. Kinda creepy, no? No wonder they always champion Muslim migrants over Christian natives, whether at home or in Côte d’Ivoire or wherever. They think head chopping is the coolest.

Seriously now, I like the French a lot when they stay home, especially those of the Languedoc stripe. Outside of France, they are real arrogant clueless pains in the patootie and nobody likes them, whether in SE Asia, Oceana, etc.


84 posted on 12/17/2023 8:32:20 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: dfwgator

Uh, that’s what I wrote in my post. The Belgians put them to shame.


85 posted on 12/17/2023 8:33:52 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd
...I like the French a lot when they stay home...

That's what Frog cowards do, while trying to con someone into dying in their place.

86 posted on 12/17/2023 8:54:24 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: callofthewild

Estrogen pill causes cognitive decline? Just for men, I assume. I wish there were a website that listed and explained all problems and side effects of ‘gender affirming care.’ This info needs to be readily accessible for all confused minors and mentality confused adults. I once read some detransitioner was going to create that website. Maybe Chloe Cole. The lawsuits of detransitioners are increasing, and an authoritative list would be helpful.
If you have a link to explanation of this estrogen side effect, please provide for me.


87 posted on 12/17/2023 9:03:08 PM PST by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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To: dfwgator

Wow, this thread has devolved beyond the borders of rational thought. lol


88 posted on 12/17/2023 9:03:27 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Navy Patriot

I am quite serious. When they stay home, they are fine, fun, hospitable, witty, funny, etc. And the food and drink are grand. Abroad, well, their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries and you can guess the rest (grin) without my breaking JimRob’s’s rules re “general directions”.


89 posted on 12/17/2023 9:14:13 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: It Aint Easy
No worry, they can rebuild their population afterwards with diversity.

It's no joke. To get reconstruction billions from the E.U., Ukraine will be forced to take hundreds iof thousands of migrant "workers" for "construction projects." 10 years later, parts of Kyiv will have Muslim "no-go zones."

90 posted on 12/17/2023 9:18:02 PM PST by montag813
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To: Night Hides Not

Really? Maybe you should study a bit of history. Or at least read Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness. It’s a short read. Surely you can manage it, Mr. Kurz.

(Hint: the Belgians are generally acknowledged as the most brutal of colonialists, and for very good reason. As you will discover if you take the trouble to read up bit.)


91 posted on 12/17/2023 9:20:07 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Mariner

Pretty sure my Give-a-Damn button is busted, and there isn’t enough money that’ll fix that.


92 posted on 12/17/2023 9:20:35 PM PST by voicereason (When a bartender can join Congress and become a millionaire...there’s a problem.)
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To: USA-FRANCE
America has not annexed any country in our modern history.

Does that include 'Manifest Destiny?' Because then...yes we have. And should have. Doesn't Russia have a similar claim on its surrounding lands? Especially ones that were very recently theirs as well?

93 posted on 12/17/2023 9:22:06 PM PST by montag813
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To: dfwgator

Sorry, meant to ping you to my #91


94 posted on 12/17/2023 9:28:00 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: canuck_conservative
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95 posted on 12/17/2023 9:43:29 PM PST by CapandBall
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To: USA-FRANCE

“The IRAN/HAMAS and their MOSCOW allies must be discouraged from pursuing their permanent aggressions and/or invasions of their neighbors (which happen to be our allies).”

You and what army? It’s always good old Uncle Sucker that has to carry the load. You’re so hot for war but you won’t put your butt on the line. It’s always our money and our kids wasted in these endless wars with nothing to show for it.


96 posted on 12/17/2023 9:55:41 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: CatHerd
I am less impressed by the French, and perfectly happy to stay out of France.

They can stay out of America.

I met a couple of 'em in South Vietnam during the war.

They were worse than the Commie infiltrators we were trying to drive out.

97 posted on 12/17/2023 9:57:20 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Mariner

How maddening to watch Biden shoveling money borrowed from China into a rat hole. He’s using tax money to pay a blackmailer.


98 posted on 12/17/2023 10:00:22 PM PST by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.v v ely)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yes, in SE Asia, they were total stinkers. Saw that myself. And could share some funny anecdotes that might amuse you sometime. I’m sure you have your own, funny or not.

They also stank in Africa, Oceana ... Oh well, too little time, too long a list.


99 posted on 12/17/2023 10:03:40 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CapandBall



100 posted on 12/17/2023 10:07:31 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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