Posted on 12/17/2023 4:34:57 PM PST by Mariner
Ukraine faces defeat as early as next summer if American and Nato military aid dries up, a senior US official has warned.
Vladimir Putin’s chances of victory have been buoyed by war fatigue and blocks on funding in both America and the EU.
“There is no guarantee of success with us, but they are certain to fail without us,” a senior US military source told CNN.
Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s prime minister, last week blocked a £43 billion EU aid package for Ukraine.
Austria had also threatened to block the bill until Kyiv toned down criticism of an Austrian bank still working in Russia.
Western planners working on ‘worst-case scenario’
In the US, the Senate has held up a £48 billion military support bill for Ukraine and polls have shown that most Americans think that the US government is overspending in Ukraine.
Western military planners are now working on a “worst-case scenario” of Ukraine without aid being defeated by Russia within a few months, according to CNN which a source described as a “disaster” for European security.
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No worry, they can rebuild their population afterwards with diversity.
We’re being bankrupted by new energy exports to Europe? I think not. Kicking Russian corruption and influence out of NATO Europe will bring great economic benefits to Americans. The armchair isolationists who dream of Making Russia Great Again don’t want Americans to have those good energy jobs. They want America weak, defenseless and those jobs in Russia, obviously. Conservatives are know better. Or we use to, anyway.
It was always going to be an uphill battle for Ukraine demographically given Russia is the biggest country in the world and it’s filled with filthy vermin (murderers, rapists, village drunks, etc.) that Putin is happy to send to their deaths in Ukraine.
Straight up BS
Could the Ukes be given back enough strategic nuke missiles to replace what they gave up when the Soviet Union dissolved, enough to go toe to toe with Russia a la mutual assured destruction. So they CAN negotiate a mutually beneficial peace with Putin’s Russia? Hmmmm.
In other words, we have an astronomically expensive and murderous forever war on pout our hands until we face reality and negotiate a settlement to the conflict.
We,the people, must rethink the so-called “Ukranian war vs Russia” in light of evidence showing
Ukraine’s 2016 election interference to advance Hillary’s candidacy. Ukraine’s actions show
the US-taxpayer financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light. Read on.
BACKSTORY Ukraine Tried to Tip the 2016 Trump/Hillary Election in Clinton’s Favor
Evidence reveals Ukraine intervened to tilt the election in favor of its own national interests
observer.com, By Michael Sainato, 01/12/17
EDITED—Politico reported the Ukrainian Government dedicatedly worked to aid Hillary Clinton’s
2016 presidential bid. The actions taken by Ukranian government officials included
<><>disseminating false documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>Ukraine first announcing they were “investigating” the matter,
<><>then nervously backing away after Trump defeated Hillary,
<><>Ukraine helping Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
The supposedly incriminating government documents Ukraine brought forth implicated Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who once worked as an adviser for now-ousted Ukrainian President Viktor F. Yanukovych.
However, the concerns that the Ukranian documents raised weren’t over any quasi-Russian ties the partisan MSM rigorously reported, pushing this narrative 24/7. Rather, the dubious documents raised question about “declared income” that only the Ukraine government was ostensibly privy to WRT Manafort.
The Podesta Group, a notorious lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton Campaign Chair John Podesta, also conducted work for the Ukranian president Yanukovych but was studiously ignored. The Ukranian narrative not only painted Trump as pro-Russian, but also provided the Clinton campaign with a wholly invented “Trump smear campaign” which helpfully reaffirmed Ukraine’s stance “against Russia” and which earned Ukraine billions in US tax dollars.
It was in Ukraine’s best interest to tilt the election in support of Clinton, b/c she strongly advocated for providing Ukraine with billions of US tax dollars in military aid and financial support in order “to fight” Russian separatists then-operating in the Ukraine. Which presents the more recent US financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light.
Politico noted that Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American working as a consultant for DNC, met with top Ukrainian Officials in Washington D.C. about “forcing” Manafort’s resignation with the goal of cementing the Ukraine/Hillary narrative that Trump was “connected” to Russia.
Manafort was subsequently jailed and slapped into solitary confinement due to Ukranian efforts.
Both Ukranians, Chalupa, and her sister Andrea, have strongly pushed the anti-Russian narrative on social media.
Shockingly, the Ukranian sisters also advocated that the state electors of “the US electoral college defect from Trump.” The Chalupas’ outrageous elector gambit was ignored but Trump was said to have an “elector scheme.”
The report added, “Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the Trump/Hillary 2016 race strains diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.”
In addition to the Chalupas, the co-founder and CTO of Crowdstrike, the cyber security firm that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacks, Dmitri Alperovitch, also serves as a senior fellow to the Washington-based think tank Atlantic Council, which is an openly anti-Russian organization.
The Atlantic Council is funded by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who is one of the most prolific donors to the Clinton Foundation. The DNC denied multiple requests from the FBI to access their servers, effectively forcing the FBI to rely on CrowdStrike’s assessment of the hacks.
The Ukranian-centered Atlantic Council has propagated anti-Russian sentiment and advocated for bolstering NATO forces in anticipation of a Ukranian military conflict with Russia long before Wikileaks released emails from the DNC and Clinton Campaign Manager John Podesta.
In 2013, the Atlantic Council awarded Hillary Clinton its Distinguished International Leadership Award. In 2014, the Ukranian-biased Atlantic Council hosted one of several events with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who took over after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych’s 2014 removal.
In August 2015, Politico was apparently cued to report that “Donald Trump’s favorable rhetoric to Russia was concerning to Ukraine.” The article stated, “Russia wants Trump for U.S. president; Ukraine is terrified by Trump and prefers Hillary Clinton.”
In response to their preferred candidate losing the election, Ukrainian officials were now scrambling to revert from their lobbying for Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
<><>Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko rushed to sign a $50,000-a-month contract with a US lobbying firm to set up meetings with US officials in the new Trump administration.
<><>Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who paid Hillary to come to Ukraine for a speech, now sang a different tune and wrote an WSJ op-ed Dec 29 in which he argued that Ukraine needs “to make compromises” to establish peace with Russia.
<><>Post-election, Ukranian Pinchuk donated to Trump’s charity to try to gain the same favor and access that his donations to the “Clinton Foundation” afforded him.
<><>“The sole reason the Victor Pinchuk Foundation has reached out to President-elect Trump—as well as other world leaders—has been to promote strengthened and enduring ties between Ukraine and the West,” a spokeswoman for the Pinchuk foundation told ABC News with a straight face.
While past elections in Ukraine have been viewed as proxy battles between the US and Russia, it appears that the 2016 US presidential election faced a barrage of shady influence from Ukraine——a beneficiary of billions of US tax dollars——attempting to influence an election outcome biased for Ukraine’s national interests.
It now appears to be based on Ukraine hungering after US foreign aid .....from 2016 up to and including the “Russian invasion,” and onto Ukraine’s 2023 beg-a-thons for US tax dollars.
We,the people, must rethink the so-called “Ukranian war vs Russia” in light of evidence showing
Ukraine’s 2016 election interference to advance Hillary’s candidacy. Ukraine’s actions show
the US-taxpayer financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light. Read on.
BACKSTORY Ukraine Tried to Tip the 2016 Trump/Hillary Election in Clinton’s Favor
Evidence reveals Ukraine intervened to tilt the election in favor of its own national interests
observer.com, By Michael Sainato, 01/12/17
EDITED—Politico reported the Ukrainian Government dedicatedly worked to aid Hillary Clinton’s
2016 presidential bid. The actions taken by Ukranian government officials included
<><>disseminating false documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>Ukraine first announcing they were “investigating” the matter,
<><>then nervously backing away after Trump defeated Hillary,
<><>Ukraine helping Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
The supposedly incriminating government documents Ukraine brought forth implicated Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who once worked as an adviser for now-ousted Ukrainian President Viktor F. Yanukovych.
However, the concerns that the Ukranian documents raised weren’t over any quasi-Russian ties the partisan MSM rigorously reported, pushing this narrative 24/7. Rather, the dubious documents raised question about “declared income” that only the Ukraine government was ostensibly privy to WRT Manafort.
The Podesta Group, a notorious lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton Campaign Chair John Podesta, also conducted work for the Ukranian president Yanukovych but was studiously ignored. The Ukranian narrative not only painted Trump as pro-Russian, but also provided the Clinton campaign with a wholly invented “Trump smear campaign” which helpfully reaffirmed Ukraine’s stance “against Russia” and which earned Ukraine billions in US tax dollars.
It was in Ukraine’s best interest to tilt the election in support of Clinton, b/c she strongly advocated for providing Ukraine with billions of US tax dollars in military aid and financial support in order “to fight” Russian separatists then-operating in the Ukraine. Which presents the more recent US financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light.
Politico noted that Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American working as a consultant for DNC, met with top Ukrainian Officials in Washington D.C. about “forcing” Manafort’s resignation with the goal of cementing the Ukraine/Hillary narrative that Trump was “connected” to Russia.
Manafort was subsequently jailed and slapped into solitary confinement due to Ukranian efforts.
Both Ukranians, Chalupa, and her sister Andrea, have strongly pushed the anti-Russian narrative on social media.
Shockingly, the Ukranian sisters also advocated that the state electors of “the US electoral college defect from Trump.” The Chalupas’ outrageous elector gambit was ignored but Trump was said to have an “elector scheme.”
The report added, “Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the Trump/Hillary 2016 race strains diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.”
In addition to the Chalupas, the co-founder and CTO of Crowdstrike, the cyber security firm that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacks, Dmitri Alperovitch, also serves as a senior fellow to the Washington-based think tank Atlantic Council, which is an openly anti-Russian organization.
The Atlantic Council is funded by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who is one of the most prolific donors to the Clinton Foundation. The DNC denied multiple requests from the FBI to access their servers, effectively forcing the FBI to rely on CrowdStrike’s assessment of the hacks.
The Ukranian-centered Atlantic Council has propagated anti-Russian sentiment and advocated for bolstering NATO forces in anticipation of a Ukranian military conflict with Russia long before Wikileaks released emails from the DNC and Clinton Campaign Manager John Podesta.
In 2013, the Atlantic Council awarded Hillary Clinton its Distinguished International Leadership Award. In 2014, the Ukranian-biased Atlantic Council hosted one of several events with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who took over after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych’s 2014 removal.
In August 2015, Politico was apparently cued to report that “Donald Trump’s favorable rhetoric to Russia was concerning to Ukraine.” The article stated, “Russia wants Trump for U.S. president; Ukraine is terrified by Trump and prefers Hillary Clinton.”
In response to their preferred candidate losing the election, Ukrainian officials were now scrambling to revert from their lobbying for Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
<><>Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko rushed to sign a $50,000-a-month contract with a US lobbying firm to set up meetings with US officials in the new Trump administration.
<><>Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who paid Hillary to come to Ukraine for a speech, now sang a different tune and wrote an WSJ op-ed Dec 29 in which he argued that Ukraine needs “to make compromises” to establish peace with Russia.
<><>Post-election, Ukranian Pinchuk donated to Trump’s charity to try to gain the same favor and access that his donations to the “Clinton Foundation” afforded him.
<><>“The sole reason the Victor Pinchuk Foundation has reached out to President-elect Trump—as well as other world leaders—has been to promote strengthened and enduring ties between Ukraine and the West,” a spokeswoman for the Pinchuk foundation told ABC News with a straight face.
While past elections in Ukraine have been viewed as proxy battles between the US and Russia, it appears that the 2016 US presidential election faced a barrage of shady influence from Ukraine——a beneficiary of billions of US tax dollars——attempting to influence an election outcome biased for Ukraine’s national interests.
It now appears to be based on Ukraine hungering after US foreign aid .....from 2016 up to and including the “Russian invasion,” and onto Ukraine’s 2023 beg-a-thons for US tax dollars.
Hillary spent a goodly chunk on her pet DC lobbying/PR firm, no doubt with kickbacks to her. I thought it amusing that was the first thing she wanted to do with Gaddafi’s money.
Zelinksi has a whole stable of US (and British) PR and lobbying firms. Our tax dollars at work!
Several of the J6ers are saying there were also Ukraine operatives working the crowd that day.
I heard that quite awhile ago and then I heard a J6er mention it again last week.
There’s not enough lunatics in the world to give Ukraine nukes.
FYI: Ukraine never had the required activation codes for the Soviet nukes on their territory, and they were happy to be rid of them at no cost.
“Straight up BS”
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Your comment is a waste of space if you don’t have the courage, the energy or the will to develop a contra argument to what I said. A few sentences would suffice.
Now a question to you :
Do you support thievery? When people take others stuff, expecting it’s normal and that there should be no consequences for that criminal behavior ?
If you do, then you are contaminated by Wokeism and Bolshevism.
The Communist party is using the same time-tested successful tactics that the former Democrat party used to give South Vietnam to the North...
Simply cut off all war-making supplies and shrug your political shoulders...
We take Other Peoples’ Stuff all the time. Got a problem with that? Shut up and sit down, Frenchy Boy, ‘cause we’re the Big Fat World Hegemon and it’s The End of History.
Well, we were, and we thought it was.. Bow down anyway, even though that train has left the station now. You seem to be living in another decade anyway, so why not?
Be sure to save up your Euros for those heating bills. Winter’s comin’! And the subsidies can’t last forever.
Take Point and MAKE those Russians abandon the Russian women and children in Donbass and Crimea.
Napoleon taught you Froggys to be Great, ... at Surrendering and Arrogance, from Elba.
While you're at it, you might just undo being kicked out of Africa and fix your Muslim Terrorist No-Go-Zones in Paris, after you put all those inconvenient Yellow Vest Patriots in the Bastille incommunicado, (Macron will be ecstatic).
Americans don't need backstabbing "allies" like Frogs.
Get off your soapbox and quit volunteering others to do your dying for you.
You know nothing of what's good for America.
“We take Other Peoples’ Stuff all the time.”
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America has not annexed any country in our modern history.
I presume you agree with me, right?
The blatant Russian invasion of sovereign Ukraine is insane.
The sadistic Hamas -mass-murder-operation- against Israel is insane.
If we don’t act against this we are weak, and are asking for more chaos as a consequence.
Let me say this again:
Accepting to GLOBALIZE wars everywhere by letting everyone attack our allies with zero consequences, will undoubtebly encourage the Russia/Iran/Hamas Alliance to attack even more elsewhere against Americas interests! Thus further prolonged WARS everywhere!
The IRAN/HAMAS and their MOSCOW allies must be discouraged from pursuing their permanent aggressions and/or invasions of their neighbors (which happen to be our allies).
“Americans don’t need backstabbing “allies” like Frogs.”
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You ignorance about history is spectacular.
Without France, America as we know it and its cherished Independence would simply not exist. America would have remained a colony. You didn’t know that.
Thus, insulting America’s absolute closest ally in history, the very country that did the most for America (!) makes you look very unintelligent and cringy. But it proves one thing : You can’t be a true American.
You are probably based in St. Petersburg or maybe you got promoted to live in beautiful Moscow?
Get off your soapbox and quit volunteering others to do your dying for you.
There are more efficient ways of getting Other Peoples’ Stuff than crude annexation. Get with the program. This is the 21st century.
By the way, I consider you only vaguely amusing and I gotcha numbah. You’re just way too way too obvious to be highly amusing and why they don’t pay you the big bucks. You really need to up your game. 😊
Do these neocons actually think they are convincing anyone of their nonsense they spout here?
Okay, to be fair, we annexed Hawaii and other islands in the Pacific and Caribbean once upon a time, but switched to more efficient and modern methods since then.
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