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ISRAEL IS WINNING
Powerline ^ | 11/13/2023 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 11/13/2023 9:01:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Israel Is Winning

Lately there hasn’t been a lot of hard news about Israel’s progress in destroying Hamas. But this is a watershed moment: Israeli soldiers pose in Hamas’s “Parliament” building, which they have captured:



Defense Minister Yoav Gallant describes the campaign’s progress:

“There is no force of Hamas capable of stopping the IDF. The IDF is advancing at every location. The Hamas organization has lost control in Gaza: Terrorists are fleeing south, civilians are looting Hamas bases. They have no confidence in the government,” Gallant said, after holding an assessment on the fighting.

One sign of Israel’s progress is a dramatic drop-off in the number of rockets that Hamas is able to fire.

Naturally, the European Union is eager to slow Israel down:

The European Union has delegated too much of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process to the United States and must now be more involved in a two-state resolution to the conflict, the bloc’s foreign policy chief Josep Borrell told reporters in Brussels on Monday.

“We have been far too absent,” Borrell said ahead of his anticipated trip to Israel and the Palestinian territory in the West Bank this week. …

“We must commit ourselves to this process because if we don’t find a solution, we will experience a perpetual cycle of violence moving from generation to generation from funeral to funeral.”
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There can be no forced displacement of Palestinians to territory outside of Gaza, no reduction in the territorial scope of Gaza for Palestinians and no reoccupation by the Israeli Defense Forces, Borrell said.

It is true that the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians can be described as a cycle of violence that has now continued for decades. But why is that?

Consider World War II, for example. The Germans and Japanese started the war, but did it lead to a cycle of violence? No. The war’s conclusion brought about a peace that continues to this day, as far as those combatants are concerned. Why is that? Because the war had a decisive result. Germany and Japan were crushed. There were millions of civilian casualties. The German and Japanese people understood that they had lost the war, and the war had been a catastrophe for them. They had no desire to renew the violence.

One can contrast that with World War I, which did not have a decisive result, and which did become part of a cycle of violence, i.e. World War II, precisely because the German people did not accept that they had lost the Great War.

Or consider the Napoleonic Wars. There was a cycle of violence that began with the French Revolution and continued intermittently until 1815. The cycle ended when France was decisively defeated in 1815, and was occupied for a time by the victorious powers. France suffered terribly, and the result was more than a half century of peace.

Then there is the Middle East. Israel fought a series of wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973 against Arab coalitions including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. There was, for a time, a cycle of violence. But the Arabs’ attacks failed decisively, and the hostile Arab powers eventually decided to give up on their ambitions and make peace. Several decades have now gone by without armed conflict between Israel and Egypt, Jordan or Syria.

Not so with the Palestinians, i.e., the Arabs who live in the former British Mandate. They have continued to launch terrorist attacks and wars against Israel from 1948 to the present, most recently and most horrifically last month. Why is that? Most fundamentally, because the Palestinians do not believe that they have been defeated by Israel. On the contrary, they–especially the Gazans–seem to have believed that they were doing pretty well. Intifada was good to them, yielding vast quantities of international aid and considerable international respect.

In my view, the approach taken by the E.U. and by Palestinian sympathizers in the U.S. is precisely wrong. If there is a cease fire, another tenuous “peace,” ongoing yammering about a two-state solution that the Palestinians have rejected over and over again, the cycle of violence will continue. The only thing that will stop it is a victory by Israel so crushing that Palestinians acknowledge they have been beaten, lay down their arms, and repudiate their leaders.

So we can only hope that Israel will ignore the voices of compromise and press on to a thorough and decisive victory that will end the cycle of violence once and for all.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Gaza; Hamas; Iran; Israel; News/Current Events; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; iran; israel; syria; terrorism; war; waronterror
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1 posted on 11/13/2023 9:01:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

2 posted on 11/13/2023 9:08:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“So we can only hope that Israel will ignore the voices of compromise and press on to a thorough and decisive victory that will end the cycle of violence once and for all.”

It’s easy to think that the Arabs cannot be convinced to end their violence regarding Israel, but think about Japan in WW2, they were absolutely INSANE. So did anyone really think they would flip 180 degrees like they did, until after they actually did flip - I doubt it.


3 posted on 11/13/2023 9:13:29 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wish they could

Come - liberate here


4 posted on 11/13/2023 9:13:47 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: SeekAndFind
civilians are looting Hamas bases

That's pretty cool. Turn the masses against Hamas.

If and when the masses give all of Hamas the Ceaucescu treatment, then and only then we may have lasting change in Gaza.

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5 posted on 11/13/2023 9:20:20 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: SunkenCiv

6 posted on 11/13/2023 9:21:13 PM PST by Signalman
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To: BobL

>> [Japanese] were absolutely INSANE. So did anyone really think they would flip 180 degrees like they did

Excellent point. Repentance is always possible.


7 posted on 11/13/2023 9:21:56 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I watched an Israeli army video today. It showed a Hamas leader’s house adjacent to a school, with a tunnel into the basement of a hospital. That basement had facilities and signs of holding hostages at some point in this.


8 posted on 11/13/2023 9:23:48 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: BobL

The Japanese only had a radical militant faction in their government for a couple of decades.

Muslims have been radical for the entire 1,400 years of their existence.


9 posted on 11/13/2023 9:23:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Our Republic is under seige by globalist Marxists. Hold fast!)
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To: BobL

Problem is that Japan was but one country. Muslims are spread all around the world.


10 posted on 11/13/2023 9:24:21 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amen!


11 posted on 11/13/2023 9:25:30 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

Gather all the rioting nuts in the public square and nuke them. How do you get them to gather in the public square? Simple-a public burning of guess what? Tom Tancredo had two cities in mind. Iran has the city of Qom.


12 posted on 11/13/2023 9:39:11 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope when the Israelis finish with the Hammies, they come here and kick the crap out of the poison Ivy League azhos. They should know better and deserve an ass kickin. This isn’t a fake ass Hollywood movie going on. This is real life.


13 posted on 11/13/2023 9:42:22 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ('Build Back Better' is a Bidenskyyyyyyism for 'we gotta get rid of all dem white peoples'.)
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To: Signalman

Israel must ignore the jackals, hyenas and psychopaths in the UN. As must we.


14 posted on 11/13/2023 9:46:55 PM PST by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: SeekAndFind

i hope the article’s title is an accurate predictor; it may be in the short run and that is good, imo, but i doubt it in the long run, unless God is at the bottom of National Israel’s success. basically, Israel must fail under human control until the second coming of Christ secures it as ruling seat of the world. the hope for us in Christ is that God is controlling the current incarnation of Israel, and once again gathering His people there.

the author (perhaps not a believer) betrays a lack of understanding of the real cause of that conflict—of Judah, Israel as God’s people and land, His covenant with the same, and God’s eternal claim on Jerusalem, and the surrounding lands.

it’s the devil at the bottom of all the resistance to Israel, because he knows he must deny and frustrate God’s plan for that people and land to prevent his own demise. even so, the devil plays his role, no matter what his eventual failure. he can’t help himself and his hardened heart. his main pawn in that is of course the christian heresy of islam.

as i read God’s Word, if God allows it, and God is always right, this conflict will go on. no stratagem of man will stop it permanently. there is no stopping the devil from waging war in the middle east until Jesus steps in Himself to end it all.


15 posted on 11/13/2023 9:50:37 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

“There is no force of Hamas capable of stopping the IDF. The IDF is advancing at every location. “


That’s great, kid !

Don’t get cocky.

Every military disaster starts with over-confidence.


16 posted on 11/13/2023 10:12:46 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Signalman

That is Hamas’ parliament? Some people have bigger home theaters in their homes. Hamas is so screwed.


17 posted on 11/13/2023 10:20:18 PM PST by healy61 (.)
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1. If the IDF reported, or rather if the media reported that the IDF reported, that Hamas was destroyed, we would have at least one reason to doubt it.

2.If Hamas were destroyed, what prevents regeneration? This could be long distances away, given they now have very long range weapons.

3. What incentive does Israel have to destroy Hamas? That would result in slashed aid coming in. More to the point, Netanyahu would have to face the prosecution’s that await.

4. Probably should not expect “vistory” all that soon.


18 posted on 11/13/2023 10:27:08 PM PST by Owen (.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We must commit ourselves to this process because if we don’t find a solution, we will experience a perpetual cycle of violence moving from generation to generation from funeral to funeral.”

Gee that has been the case for decades now. Involvement or non-involvement seems to have little effect. Both seem to produce the same negative results.

Perhaps letting them figure it out, may be what is best.

19 posted on 11/13/2023 10:49:53 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: BobL

I think they are different beasts. Islamics have been violent from the get go. And it took two nukes to get the Japanese to settle down. One can hope they can finally be tamed at some point, but I’m not going to bet my life on it. I do bet that if humanity lasts, they will be the same backward people 50 to 100 years from now.


20 posted on 11/13/2023 11:09:07 PM PST by beaversmom
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