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House Speaker Mike Johnson blamed the fall of the Roman Empire on 'homosexual behavior', audio clip reveals
Daily Mail ^ | November 4, 2023 | James Gordon

Posted on 11/03/2023 11:22:07 PM PDT by Angelino97

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To: SpaceBar

Well the western empire fell due to barbarian invasion but the eastern empire lasted until 1453.

From 180 until 312 there were danged few effective emperors to help hold the empire together. Many were outright killed in battle against the barbarians or killed by the rivalries amongst their peers and soldiers. The western empire was regularly defeated and attacked, buying off invaders as best it could. The slide had started and was averted by the occasional rise of an emperor such as Valerian or Diocletian who backstopped the slide temporarily. I do think the tolerance and practice of homosexuality among the upper classes abetted that demise, perhaps as a symptom if not a direct cause..I do not think that homosexuality was all that prominent among the lower classes.

I think Mr. Johnson has a point.


41 posted on 11/04/2023 2:43:47 AM PDT by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: Theophilus



42 posted on 11/04/2023 2:48:01 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Angelino97

Same as Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuality is the sign of complete decay in society


43 posted on 11/04/2023 3:06:35 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Angelino97
First of all, Johnson didn't blame the fall of Rome on homosexuality. He merely stated a fact (paraphrased),
"Historians might consider the decline of Rome as partially related to a societal loss of morals and widespread homosexual behavior condoned during that period."
Historians DID make the above conclusions. That's a well-known fact.
44 posted on 11/04/2023 3:22:54 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Angelino97
The real culprit...

Bureaucracy Kills: A Lesson from Rome

45 posted on 11/04/2023 3:23:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: lightman; Angelino97; Jonty30

The “everyone in greece and rome was gay” myth just won’t die


46 posted on 11/04/2023 3:24:24 AM PDT by fightglobalism
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To: Ex-Con777
These people have such short memories.

These people don't have short memories. They have a complete disregard for the truth (the truth is relative in their world).

47 posted on 11/04/2023 3:25:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Angelino97

That was one of a number of factors.


48 posted on 11/04/2023 3:26:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Two Words: Banana Republic)
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To: fightglobalism

It’s true enough for the upper classes. Whomever they took a fancy to was going to have sex with them whether they wanted to or not.


49 posted on 11/04/2023 3:31:38 AM PDT by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Angelino97

Oh my God, next they will dig up that he believes the Soviets beat Hitler! Or maybe rain is wet, snow is white......


50 posted on 11/04/2023 3:41:11 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: Angelino97
.. Alliance Defense Fund - an organization labeled as an extremist hate group by the extremist hate group Southern Poverty Law Center ..

Fixed it.

51 posted on 11/04/2023 3:51:01 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Angelino97

I rectum sore.


52 posted on 11/04/2023 4:02:21 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Williams

“It’s highly unlikely the Roman Empire declined due to homosexuality or even immorality...”

It did indeed fall due to homosexuality and immorality. Those Roman orgies actually happened. And the government promoted homosexuality.


53 posted on 11/04/2023 4:04:28 AM PDT by odawg
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To: SpaceBar

You need to dust off some history books.


54 posted on 11/04/2023 4:06:36 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Angelino97

And....?


55 posted on 11/04/2023 4:08:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: lightman

I applaud the speaker’s willingness to stand up for Biblical principles.

However, from an historical perspective, the Roman emperors were notoriously debauched throughout most of the prosperous periods of the empire. Read Suetonius. Nero and Caligula engaged in bisexual acts but the empire still had many good economic years later on.

If he’s look at the Roman Empire’s collapse for historical parallels of collapse, there others such as border control, taxes, increased operating costs for government to maintain the army and bureaucracy.


56 posted on 11/04/2023 4:12:31 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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To: Angelino97

A contributing factor for sure. As standards stretch and degrade, defenses to invasion crumble.


57 posted on 11/04/2023 4:13:03 AM PDT by jimfree (My 21 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: Angelino97

Oh posh. Her Entitledness Hillary Clinton once pontificated that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Now she supports the blood cult of self worshippers who seek to enshrine even late term infanticide as holy, natural, and free.

Talk about Roman Empire comparisons, ever hear of exposure of unwanted newborns?


58 posted on 11/04/2023 4:17:32 AM PDT by Strident ("Hi, my name is Joe and I am powerless over making $#!7 up")
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To: Angelino97

Moral decay, yup agree


59 posted on 11/04/2023 4:17:44 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: rdcbn1

Inconsistent at least. The left takes up for the muslims who throw homosexuals off rooftops. Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.


60 posted on 11/04/2023 4:20:56 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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