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Guns, or Lack of Them, in Israel-Do we have to say never again – again?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 10-25-23 | Barney Brenner

Posted on 10/25/2023 7:48:06 AM PDT by SJackson

After the atrocities perpetrated in Israel this last week, questions arise about how such an intelligence failure could have occurred, how the Israeli military, which is assumed by many to be ubiquitous, did not do a better job at more quickly and effectively repelling the invasion, and perhaps most perplexing of all, why families and towns in close proximity to a territory run by terrorists did not seem to have the means for self-defense.

Thomas Jefferson made the point over 200 years ago that it is the right and duty of citizens to be at all times armed. How much more so for a people not protected by an Atlantic ocean but within view of terrorists who want them dead?

Are the people of Israel subjects and not citizens?

Imagine the difference it would have made in the 1930s and ‘40s in Nazi Germany and elsewhere in Europe (or anywhere else, genocide was perpetrated, for that matter) if Jewish individuals and families were able and willing to fight back. Although one could argue that the Jewish mindset in Germany at that time was one of complacency or resignation, as the prior 1800-plus years of the diaspora was a repressive history of exile, abuse, murder, and massacre. Ever since the Romans’ final suppression of Israelite resistance in the 130s, the Jews were largely a defenseless people subject to the whims or depredations of their “host” countries.

Not anymore. Or do we have to say never again – again?

Because of images of Israeli defense forces carrying their weaponry on the streets, much of the world likely believes gun ownership is common or even proliferates in Israel. But such is not the case. With the exception of active military, police, and personnel in security services, only single-digit percentages out of a private citizen Jewish population of over seven million are licensed to have a firearm. That fact is an unforgivable oversight and should never have been the case. In a country where virtually all young adults go through compulsory conscription, almost all families have members trained to use firearms. So why isn’t there a means of self-defense in every household?

You could make the case that the level of barbarity in Nazi Germany was unprecedented and unforeseeable. Not so with the present situation in modern Israel. For years, terrorists had been crossing the border from the West Bank and perpetrating bus bombings and other atrocities. But since the construction of the West Bank border barrier, those events have ended mainly. But the terrorists running Gaza are no less barbaric. Why was the enclosure there so much less secure and easy to break through? Communities in south Israel fell victim to thugs who breached insufficient and poorly monitored fencing.

It might come as a surprise to most Americans, but gun laws in Israel are quite restrictive. Until just last week, the annual allotment for licensed gun owners was only fifty rounds of ammunition! And that’s after a loosening of the gun laws around five years ago. This was raised to a hundred in the aftermath of the weekend carnage – still ridiculously low in a country perpetually under potential siege. And a valid reason for possessing a firearm (such as self-defense!) was required for a permit. You’d think the whole country would qualify. Applicants were also restricted to a single gun.

And despite the firearm capability of most Israelis, more than one in three permit applications were rejected. So, who are the ones most likely to have guns? Criminals and terrorists.

In the last couple of days, constraints were further loosened. However, the Israeli government must do more to ramp up the multiple layers of self-defense that the country needs.

RKBA proponents In the US are probably shocked by this information. At the least, every town in proximity to the Gaza border should have had the means to protect themselves. The difference could have been monumental. Families that were wiped out might have survived. Babies who were murdered – beheaded! If you can imagine that level of savagery – they might have lived out their lives. And an unknown number of terrorist monsters would not have lived to murder another day.

If never again is to be a truthful slogan, the Israeli government must trust its citizens, especially those who have been through military service. And until the day comes that the residents of that beleaguered country are safe in their beds – and cribs – citizen gun ownership should not just be allowed by the Israeli government but vigorously encouraged.

Update: During the initial minutes of the attack, a lone 25-year-old Israeli woman, Inbal Lieberman, retrieved the necessary weaponry and likely saved her entire southern Israel kibbutz from devastation. She distributed stored guns and, along with fellow residents, shot and killed at least 25 terrorists before they could penetrate the kibbutz’s perimeter fencing.


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21 posted on 10/25/2023 10:44:17 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SJackson

I think if the PM of Israel had stated, for whatever reason, the Israeli’s were short of rifles and asked for donations of AR-15 in 5.56 in good condition, with between a 14.5 and 16 inch barrel and 100 rounds of ammunition; there would be 1 million rifles and 100 million rounds of ammunition headed to Israel right now.

Lots of people have inexpensive but reliable AR’s is new or nearly new condition they could part with.

And each should have have a card that say’s, “The next time a left-wing Jew says American Christians are antisemites, remember it was American Christians that gave you a rifle when you were attacked. Not the ADL.”


22 posted on 10/25/2023 11:15:55 AM PDT by Fai Mao ( Starve the Beast and steal its food)
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To: Fai Mao

Would they dump them in the ocean afterwards like the Brits did post WW2?


23 posted on 10/25/2023 11:41:24 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Roberor thert Heinlein)
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To: Fai Mao

Yuppers...
I got a good Dbl.Barrel even Slo Joe would approve of.


24 posted on 10/25/2023 11:43:21 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: mrmeyer

Who knows? But 1 million 2nd line (No full auto) combat rifles would send a message, a good message, loud and clear.


25 posted on 10/25/2023 11:44:14 AM PDT by Fai Mao ( Starve the Beast and steal its food)
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To: SJackson

Yes, it would appear so, wrt the headline.

Right now, the Israeli government ought to procure a sufficient number of handguns to equip all adult citizens, with training.

Nothing wrong with anyone opting for a rifle instead, either.


26 posted on 10/25/2023 11:48:07 AM PDT by OKSooner (Be especially sure to take extra wool socks.)
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To: mrmeyer

Politicians just don’t trust the people.


27 posted on 10/25/2023 11:50:03 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: OKSooner

I wouldn’t be surprised if newly qualified Israelis would be happy to make the purchase themselves. Of course that would include Arab Israelis.


28 posted on 10/25/2023 11:58:42 AM PDT by SJackson (In a war of ideas it is people who get killed.)
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To: SJackson

One wouldn’t be surprised at that either. Israel needs a 2A equivalent.


29 posted on 10/25/2023 12:02:18 PM PDT by OKSooner (Be especially sure to take extra wool socks.)
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To: SJackson

Thanks for the response, I wondered if demographics were part of the reason.

Freegards


30 posted on 10/25/2023 1:06:30 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: SJackson

One can only imagine the number of groups, internal and external who would love to do to the United States what was done to Israel if we ever allow similar gun control laws to take effect.


31 posted on 10/25/2023 2:11:13 PM PDT by 56th FA Brigade
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To: Taxman

ping


32 posted on 10/25/2023 3:25:29 PM PDT by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!))
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To: SJackson
Jews tend to be "progressive" and progressives tend to be authoritarians and totalitarians. That's why they don't want people to own their own firearms.

It's no different than an abusive boyfriend not wanting his girlfriend to own a weapon. It cramps his style, authority, and control.

33 posted on 10/25/2023 3:33:11 PM PDT by Gritty (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution. - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Mark17

Nope. The restrictions have been “relaxed” but they are still an utter farce. Very few will ever have guns in Israel. Self defense is not allowed.


34 posted on 10/25/2023 4:30:05 PM PDT by Badboo (A fascist is the one who wants to take your guns. That's how it always starts.)
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To: OKSooner

I love handguans very much...have a concealed carry license,..but an expert trainer told our class “a handguun is just something you use on your way to grab your rifle”.


35 posted on 10/25/2023 5:00:40 PM PDT by Lockbar (Even when you think you finally have enough ammo, you still really don't have enough. )
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To: SJackson

Cameras on the border wall with public access and rifles and handguns with lots of ammo for every Israeli.


36 posted on 10/25/2023 6:57:20 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: 10mm

But what %age of the 18% are HAMAS?


37 posted on 10/25/2023 6:59:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 10mm

Rules change


38 posted on 10/25/2023 6:59:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fai Mao

Heck; THESE would have helped a LOT!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator


39 posted on 10/25/2023 7:01:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lockbar

bingo


40 posted on 10/25/2023 7:02:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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