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Water-starved Saudi confronts desalination's heavy toll
France 24 ^

Posted on 09/17/2023 3:53:24 AM PDT by FarCenter

The Jazlah plant in Jubail city applies the latest technological advances in a country that first turned to desalination more than a century ago, when Ottoman-era administrators enlisted filtration machines for hajj pilgrims menaced by drought and cholera.

Lacking lakes, rivers and regular rainfall, Saudi Arabia today relies instead on dozens of facilities that transform water from the Gulf and Red Sea into something potable, supplying cities and towns that otherwise would not survive.

But the kingdom's growing desalination needs –- fuelled by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's dreams of presiding over a global business and tourism hub –- risk clashing with its sustainability goals, including achieving net-zero emissions by 2060.

Projects like Jazlah, the first plant to integrate desalination with solar power on a large scale, are meant to ease that conflict: officials say the panels will help save around 60,000 tons of carbon emissions annually.

It is the type of innovation that must be scaled up fast, with Prince Mohammed targeting a population of 100 million people by 2040, up from 32.2 million today.

"Typically, the population grows, and then the quality of life of the population grows," necessitating more and more water, said CEO Marco Arcelli of ACWA Power, which runs Jazlah.

Using desalination to keep pace is a "do or die" challenge, said historian Michael Christopher Low at the University of Utah, who has studied the kingdom's struggle with water scarcity.

"This is existential for the Gulf states. So when anyone is sort of critical about what they're doing in terms of ecological consequences, I shake my head a bit," he said.

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By 2010, Saudi desalination facilities were consuming 1.5 million barrels of oil per day, more than 15 percent of today's production.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


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KEYWORDS: dubai; saudiarabia; uae; unitedarabemirates
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To: butlerweave

“ But the kingdom’s growing desalination needs –- fuelled by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s dreams of presiding over a global business and tourism hub –- risk clashing with its sustainability goals, including achieving net-zero emissions by 2060.”

Is that the “heavy toll” referred to in the headline? Seems tolerable to me


21 posted on 09/17/2023 7:20:09 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! more then 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: reviled downesdad
Not wise to tie water production to a part time energy source.

It's a lot easier to store water than electricity. One would think that they store at least a month's worth of water (somewhere), and recycle as much as possible. For instance, treated waste water could be used for irrigation, and salt water used for toilets. They are never going to be Maine or New Foundland, but I do not see using photovoltaics as necessarily being a show stopper.

22 posted on 09/17/2023 7:22:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If Kitty Genovese had a gun, she’d be in jail today.)
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To: FarCenter

De-Salination links:

Project: Georgia Tech Included in Major Water Desalination Research Initiative
https://research.gatech.edu/georgia-tech-included-major-water-desalination-research-initiative

1- https://www.desalination.biz/tag/finland/
2- https://solarwatersolutions.fi/en/article/brand-new-desalination-unit-installed-on-finnish-archipelago/
3- https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/new-projects-near-me/desalination-plant-database/ongoing/finland
4- https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/desalination


23 posted on 09/17/2023 7:25:46 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: reviled downesdad

If I remember correctly, Finland is doing incinerate waste to provide energy for desalination as well.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0011916408002919


24 posted on 09/17/2023 7:29:21 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: cgbg
--- "Get rid of the “sustainable goals” and the politicians who try to cram them down our throats—and all the people of the planet can live long and prosper."

Kudos! Agreed.

25 posted on 09/17/2023 7:39:17 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: cgbg

It’s getting more evident every day that “sustainability” is unsustainable.


26 posted on 09/17/2023 7:44:16 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Paul R.
Saudi Arabia's royal family needs millions of AI robots, not more water and millions of 80-IQ burdens. The king could host monthly robotic war games, with the top 10% robot builders from around the world getting billion dollar orders. Even if war robots only have a useful life of 10 years, constant war games would create a stable market for automation technology. The benefit to humanity would be tremendous.

With the Ukraine war dragging on for years, the USA had time to assemble 500,000 robotic soldiers, and actually win the war. Robots are the solution to many problems, including who to enslave to service the national debt. The USA must become the leader in AI robots, and sell them to the world.

27 posted on 09/17/2023 7:51:37 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
It's a lot easier to store water than electricity.

It's not widely known, but freshwater can be made easily by freezing ocean water near the South Pole, and stored there indefinitely for free. Freezing water naturally pushes the salt out. This would also cool the oceans, stop rising sea levels, and even stop Earth's spin from slowing. You're welcome.

28 posted on 09/17/2023 8:08:56 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

The Israelis desalinate for about $500@acre foot. They send the water to their cities. Then they clean it up a bit and send it to their farms. When the price of desalination gets to about $300 another major agricultural revolution will occur. At that price all agriculture can become profitable exept for field crops. That means that all fruits vegetables and nuts can be profitable at about $300@acre foot.

With greenhouses desalinated water can be $1000@acre foot and still be profitable—but just barely. This is done in southern Spain where they have so many greenhouses —they can be seen from space.

There are a couple major developments that will drop the price of desalination to under $300@acre foot in the next 10 years...

The first is improved membranes for filtration. The second is cheaper energy. The third is the transfer of desalination concentrates from being part of the cost structure of desalination to being part of profit structure of desalination.


29 posted on 09/17/2023 8:18:49 AM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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To: ckilmer

$500/acre-ft for seawater desalination!? What do the Israelis know that we don’t know?

Delivery of untreated water from Sacramento to Southern California costs more than $2,000/ac-ft. Part of the reason San Diego is building a massive program to recycle purified wastewater to its raw water supply.


30 posted on 09/17/2023 8:47:49 AM PDT by bigred44
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To: bigred44

Yeah. That’s right. The posiden plant in san diego costs about $2000@ acre foot.

Most plants throughout the world being developed today bring in desalinated water in the $1000 range. The leaders in desalination are israel and singapore. They bring in desalinated water for $500@acre foot.

How do they do it? First time is money. It took over 15 years for the posiden plant to be built. Everywhere else in the world the time is about three years. Second. California really discourage desalination by making environmental demands on the desalination plant that raises costs.

Those are big obvious things. There are more but they take a more detailed understanding than I have.


31 posted on 09/17/2023 8:57:16 AM PDT by ckilmer (ui)
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To: Reeses

Someone proposed shipping icebergs from antarctica to Los Angeles to supply fresh water. New England used to have a thriving business in storing winter ice and selling it around the world, as far away as India. Iceboats packed with straw for insulation would use wind to sail to India with delicious New England ice.


32 posted on 09/17/2023 8:59:00 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (If Kitty Genovese had a gun, she’d be in jail today.)
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To: FarCenter

I’m still looking for that “heavy toll” in the article that the headline references.


33 posted on 09/17/2023 9:42:33 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: FarCenter

Scariest sentence in the article - “. . . with Prince Mohammed targeting a population of 100 million people by 2040, up from 32.2 million today.”


34 posted on 09/17/2023 11:21:24 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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To: Reeses

I like your Comment #28
“freshwater can be made easily by freezing ocean water near the South Pole, and stored there indefinitely for free. Freezing water naturally pushes the salt out.”

Or, two birds with one stone: COMMENT #24
Finland is doing incinerate WATER to provide energy for desalination as well.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0011916408002919


35 posted on 09/17/2023 4:50:58 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: Reese

Sorry Comment #35 typo!

I like your Comment #28
“freshwater can be made easily by freezing ocean water near the South Pole, and stored there indefinitely for free. Freezing water naturally pushes the salt out.”

Or, two birds with one stone: COMMENT #24
Finland has a hi-tech process to incinerate waste to provide energy for desalination as well.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0011916408002919


36 posted on 09/17/2023 5:32:38 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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