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Neo-Nazi Wagner Co-Founder Among Others on Board Crashed Prigozhin Plane
Messenger ^ | 8/23/2023 | Scott McDonald

Posted on 08/23/2023 5:08:04 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

Wagner Group commander Dmitry Utkin was reportedly among the 10 people killed in a plane crash north of Moscow that also is believed to have claimed the life of Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Utkin, a former Russian military intelligence officer, has Nazi tattoos on his body. He helped co-found the militant group and came up with the name “Wagner,” which derived from Adolf Hilter’s favorite composer, Richard Wagner.

According to reports, Utkin and Prigozhin were just two of Wagner's top men who were listed as passengers on the flight.

(Excerpt) Read more at themessenger.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia; War
KEYWORDS: chechnya; frnaziapologists; poordoomedwanger; poordoomedwangers; prayfordoomedwanger; prayfordoomedwangers; prighozin; prygozhin; putin; ramzankadyrov; russia; somenazismoreequal; ukraine4nazis; ukraineuberalles; ukrainiansarenazis; utkin; wagnergroup; yevgenyprigozhin; yevgenyprygozhin
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To: ought-six
Oh, so now you can tell how I sound. You really do put too much stock in yourself, and there is no real justification to support your belief in yourself.

But hey, if you think I am angry help your self. It's just more delusion for you to enjoy about your perceived abilities.

Like I said reality will hit you like a ton of bricks, much sooner than later, that will show you what a sad little useful idiot you have been. You won't be able to stop yourself from kicking yourself in the gluteus maximus region of your body, once that becomes evident even to you. Have a blessed day.

61 posted on 08/24/2023 10:06:37 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Yeah, you sound angry.


62 posted on 08/24/2023 10:15:02 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Robert DeLong

“ Where is your concern for the citizens of Maui who the government wants a one-time $700 payment”
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The people on Maui will be fine. Yes, the whole thing was a mess to start with, but if the homeowners and businesses had insurance they will be rebuilding soon. The help they need is in the replacement of their clothing and immediate housing. Again, this is standard for most insurance claims process.

I scratch my head when folks like you equate apples to pineapples. You all of a sudden think the Federal government needs to rush onto Maui…and do what? If Biden had not been an idiot last week about no commenting…he wouldn’t have to go there and stand in the soot. There is nothing he can do, except get in the way.

Equating it to aid to Ukraine, which came mostly from old inventory, is just ignorant. Unless you are sending old Bradleys to Maui.


63 posted on 08/24/2023 10:23:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: ransomnote
Is that the same guy? 🤔🤔🤔


64 posted on 08/24/2023 10:32:28 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Vermont Lt
You 're wrong also. There are over 1,000 missing American citizens in Maui, and the whole affair was criminal. You know nothing about what you are talking about. It's far greater than just a natural disaster.

But the main point it how we are treating the Ukrainians vs. how we are treating American citizens, and we have ongoing examples of how this government is mistreating American citizens. From the border crisis to East Palestine Ohio, to people with mental health issues & mutilation, to dumbing down our children, to sexual indoctrination, to false imprisonment of political opposition members, to inflation from out of control spending, to outrageous debt the government is saddling citizens with, to destruction of this nation and the list goes on & on. So, don't try to dismiss this as just something that doesn't deserve our attention as much as Ukraine deserves our money armaments etc.

Don't try to gaslight me that there is no connection either. It's not my fault that you fail to see what is staring everyone in the face.

65 posted on 08/24/2023 11:39:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Well, at least you are consistent…you buy into lots of conspiracy theories…not just one or two.


66 posted on 08/24/2023 12:13:56 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: mac_truck

I think he’s much younger there. IN Wikipedia’s article, there’s a much younger pic (maybe passport?) that looks rather human. The years/miles have been hard on him.


67 posted on 08/24/2023 1:59:38 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Vermont Lt
Says the man that bought into the Putin invaded Ukraine to reconstitute the U.S.S.R. conspiracy narrative, as well as, the narrative we must provide Ukraine with whatever it needs to save Ukraine, even if it results in the destruction of our nation. If you do not believe our nation is being destroyed, then you are either stupid, you desire that outcome, or you just plain aren't paying attention to what is taking place geopolitically.

Here's a man that knows a lot more than you do about the Ukraine conflict then you will even know

But of course, his narrative is false because it doesn't align with your beliefs, and since you know it all you will disparage what he says, of that I am certain. But you surely will profess your support for the Ukrainian people. The reality is that it will take generations for the Ukrainian people to recover if they even can. But your man Linda Graham has vowed that they will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian standing. Now, that's really swell, I can see why you are filled with such great pride for the wonderfu; deed you are supporting.

What kind of Lt. are you exactly, or is that just to give people then impression you are in the military?

I remember you also bought into the Covid conspiracy that it was a really dangerous virus that was going to kill us all. It too was another lie that you bought into, hook line & sinker, to the determent of this nation. Look at how all the so-called western society nations who supposedly valued freedom & Democracy, became stringent tyrannical fanatics who abused their citizens in the name of safety, with Australians being locked down in concentration style camps if they refused to comply to the tyrannical dictates being forced upon them.

Here's another hysterical conspiracy theorist, according to you

No doubt you will poop poop her also, because you know it all. Problem is you really don't, and no one can tell you differently

Perhaps if you actually paid attention to what is really going, instead of thinking you have all the answers, you might actually see for yourself what is happening.

Heck, if you just listened to what the WEF, U.N., & the WHO (World Heath Organization) are saying & doing, you might see it for yourself. But hey, believe that I am just a nut, makes no difference to me. But when you begin to see it you will remember this conversation.

Like a horse being led to water, you can't make the horse drink the water, and I can't make you believe what they have told you for years is nothing but hysterical conspiracy theories. I know because that is what I always thought too. But too much has happened since Trump was elected to their shock & surprise, that they allowed themselves to become concerned to the point that they exposed themselves. People who paid attention knew they had revealed what they hadn't intended to, but desperation disturbs the thinking process.

Perhaps I can see it clear as day, because I was basically told what I am seeing 2 decades ago, & I reacted much like you are reacting now. Because I too thought it was too fantastic to ever be capable of being pulled off.

Take what they are doing to Trump, he did absolutely nothing wrong by challenging the validity of the election results, and the peaceful transition took place on time and on schedule. He did & said absolutely nothing wrong on J6, to incite or encourage any violence whatsoever. There has never been any violence at any of his previous rallies, so why would patriots all of a sudden turn violent? There is strong evidence that J6 was a set up, and the violence was planned by entities within our own government, which any intelligent person can see has been weaponized.

I remember when we locked up Gore & Hillary for speaking out how the election was stolen from them don't you? Oh, maybe because that never happened.

But I remember another fake conspiracy being pushed by Democrats & the news outlets of media & print mediums that DJT was a Putin stooge who went to Moscow and had prostitutes urinate on him, and that he colluded with Russia, Russia, Russia, 24/7 by these outlets & Democrat politicians. Heck. I remember John McCain taking the bait & running with it to the FBI. Because they are all afraid of Trump, there is a lot of money at stake and Trump was threatening that large payout. Was the Covid an honest leak or was it an intentional leak? Who knows, but they sure seemed to take full advantage of it to steal the 2020 election. Is that a real conspiracy, or is that just a lunatic fringe theory? No doubt you know the truth to that, because you have the ability to discern real conspiracies from the fake ones. So please do me the favor of giving me the truth. If you could, can you also provide me with the proof that it's the truth?

Perhaps your crystal ball says that is all BS also. Though I can't find anyone who can provide proof that it was a fair & honest election. Heck, I can't even find anyone that can explain how all the anomalies that occurred in the 2020 election defy all odds of occurring in one election at the same time.

The courts only heard 3 case, which Trump won two and lost one, while all the others were never heard because the judges deemed those bringing the cases had no standing to do so. How convenient, kind of like the judicial equivalent of classified documents to hide exculpatory evidence.

I feel sorry for you, because when what is coming down the pike, if we keep ignoring the warning signs, will hit you like a nuclear wave washing over you.

So, you can say whatever you want about me, it doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is waking people up to the realities that are happening, which people are ignoring because they have been conditioned to act in the same manner you are acting right now. Treat it as frivolous nonsense

Quit fearing the name calling, and really open your eyes. You might be shocked by what you will see if you allow yourself to see the reality & not hide in fear of being called a name.

Perhaps that is why you see the consistency of my warnings. It's real & i's true. Ignore at the peril of humanity itself, because this is the Biblical battle of good vs. evil.

Maybe you don't believe in the legitimacy of the Bible either.

68 posted on 08/24/2023 2:27:24 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong; Vermont Lt

As I said, you are very angry.


69 posted on 08/24/2023 2:37:27 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Robert DeLong

That’s a long post. No one is going to read that.


70 posted on 08/24/2023 3:13:44 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: ought-six
Believe whatever you want & say dude, but that's not even close to the truth. Can't help you if you do not see the connection of our government spending billions of dollars on non citizen, outside & from within, while ignores the pains of citizens themselves. If yo can't see it for your self, there is nothing I can do to make you see the connection. So, I realize I am just wasting my time with an idiot. So, you can have the last word, because communicating with you is as worthless as teats on a boar hog.

Have a blessed day.

71 posted on 08/24/2023 3:41:00 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Hasta la bye-bye.


72 posted on 08/24/2023 5:01:01 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: All

On Rumble from Spaceshot76
Table of Titans - “Loose Ends” 8/24/23

Today’s Current Events including Russia & Ukraine

https://rumble.com/v3b9z6b-table-of-titans-82423.html


73 posted on 08/24/2023 9:37:10 PM PDT by Texan4Life
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To: Vermont Lt
NEVERMIND
74 posted on 08/25/2023 8:51:27 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ransomnote
I thought someone with your reputation for research would have looked past Wikipedia for source information. Things are not what they seem at first glance.

For example, the name Dmitry Utkin has apparently been recycled several times to disguise the business interests and connections of the Wagners/Prigozhin, including once using a Russian prison convict who changed his name legally to Dmitry Utkin.

This stuff comes from western intelligence sources, not Russian ones. For instance the linked article was focused on 'proving' Wagner's ties to the Kremlin but contains a plethora of other information/links to sift thru.

Putin Chef's Kisses of Death: Russia's Shadow Army's State-Run Structure Exposed

75 posted on 08/25/2023 9:24:58 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck
When I'm only passingly interested in something, I use the CIA controlled Wikipedia for photos, birthdates and basics like that, knowing it may have issues. When people try to settle exacting, detailed controversies with Wikipedia quotes, I usually recommend they read Wiki's entry on Free Republic to see how objective that source is.

Thanks for the link. The group photo at your link shows that guy really is big enough, and strange enough to be a bond villain.

I think your source have recently been named as a 'fake news' source but I am not finding the article I read about that.  The CIA has a review on Bellingcat on their website, but...I don't wanna download a PDF from the CIA.

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/studies-in-intelligence/volume-65-no-1-march-2021/reviews-we-are-bellingcat-an-intelligence-agency-for-the-people-and-untraceable-a-novel/


76 posted on 08/25/2023 10:26:09 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

No question about Bellingcat being western intelligence controlled and funded, but they’re open sources are often informative and useful in other ways.

In this instance however, the photo you posted is the fake news.


77 posted on 08/25/2023 12:23:42 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230825-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-us-to-begin-training-ukraine-f-16-pilots-in-september

Russian investigators said Friday they had recovered flight recorders and 10 bodies from the scene of the plane crash presumed to have killed Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin two days ago. Earlier Friday, a Kremlin spokesperson said “speculation” the crash had been ordered by the government was an “absolute lie”.


78 posted on 08/25/2023 2:07:27 PM PDT by Texan4Life
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