Posted on 08/23/2023 11:26:01 AM PDT by george76
Those who disobeyed the barricaded road closures during the Maui fires survived the disaster, while many of those who heeded orders to turn around perished in their cars and homes with no way out...
At least 114 people were killed in the fires earlier this month, and the FBI is estimating that up to 1,100 more are unaccounted for. Officials are facing increased scrutiny for the emergency response, including why the emergency sirens were not set off and whether closing the roads prevented people from getting to safety.
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Officials closed Lahaina Bypass Road due to the fires, blocking the only way out of Lahaina to the southern part of the island.
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One family swerved around the barricade set up to escape the flames, while another resident took a dirt road uphill to climb above the fire... However, many others who stayed in the cars on that road were stuck in a gridlock, with fires surrounding them on most sides
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Nate Baird and Courtney Stapleton recounted their experience to the outlet, saying they loaded the car up with their two sons, Baird’s mother and one dog to escape the flames. When they turned south to escape Lahaina, they were met with cones and were told to turn around to Lahaina, which was already burning.
Instead of turning around, they swerved past the cones and escaped to a neighboring town.
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we literally had minutes and one wrong turn. We would all be dead right now.”
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they had 10 more minutes, they could have saved children who were left home alone in their neighborhood during the fires.
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Kim Cuevas-Reyes said that she survived with her two sons by ignoring orders
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Right. Our former neighbor, Gladys Kravitz, when discussing the vax, told me, “You have to trust the government”. Immediately, on instinct, I laughed in her face. Poor old lady - LOL.
Right. Our former neighbor, Gladys Kravitz, when discussing the vax, told me, “You have to trust the government”. Immediately, on instinct, I laughed in her face. Poor old lady - LOL.
Fascinating story and typical of Yahoo and others. Sensationalizing the trauma which of course is very real.
Where are the questions/investigations about why there were blockades? No tough questions because they know the blocked road leads to libtards, demhogs and any other repulsive term one might have for Democrats.
There needs to be people hanging from ashen trees over this colossal screw up. You don’t get to resign, you get to die.....like the people you let get slaughtered.
When I came back stateside I thought it was different here. And it was. Mostly. Lots of incompetence and sheer stupidity but not a lot of actual malice.
About twenty five years ago I sensed a change. Less stupidity and more malice and then it hit a tipping point where I saw innocent people being ground up by the system for no real reason on a consistent basis.
Now, I trust none of them. I wish I was wrong.
Lovely. Just, lovely.
Is there some reason that sea-side towns or cities can’t pump water directly out of the ocean if a seaside town or city bursts into flame?
Granted, it probably leaves more of a mess, but the fire might get put out in a timely manner and lives saved.
Meh. I’m always too practical. We’ve got to consider Mother Government’s THUMB ON THE SCALE in ALL practical matters these days.
And Brandon’s ‘10% for the Big Guy.’
*SPIT*
“Now, I trust none of them. I wish I was wrong.”
You’re not wrong. :(
Minorities of every stripe don't care, they are so beaten down by life they simply dgaf.
It was deliberate murder.
Along the oceanside - typically for a roadway . . .
Per hydrant, there should be a below-ground tank of considerable size (at least 10,000 gallons) that is fed by a combination of a pipe that runs in from the ocean -PLUS- a second underground tank (system) that is fed by rainwater.
The water-strainers at the ocean end of the pipe and inside the second undergrand tank, need to be maintained. The strainers might have replaceable "socks" that would be cleaned - thus, "changing socks" are intervals.
Along the roadway vector, there might be a series of "second underground" tanks that are piped together.
The second tank system being independent from the municipal "domestic" water system."
The cistern tank per hydrant (ie not the second tank), includes a float valve mechanism that shuts off the flow of water from the ocean until the water level drops enough - that means the second tank (rainwater system) flow is not enough.
Somewhere in the local government records or library files, we would probably find a history of where some contributors to such a project, tried again and again . . . but met resistance from socialist party purity.
There is an unfortunate, politically-correct (jobs-preservation outranks preservation) symmetry to the dockside USS Bonhomme Richard fire and the oceanside Lahaina fire.
DAY AFTER FIRE FOOTAGE: 4K Drone Lahaina Maui Fire - Longest & Most Detailed Aerial View
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PSYNqZqAVs
You ‘splained it perfectly. :)
I’d better shut up now, or some Socialist Democrat will come up with the smart idea of draining our Great Lakes to fight fires THOUSANDS of miles away.
Seriously? Live by fresh water and a few food sources; Fish, wild game, tillable land. How hard is that to understand? Learn to bake bread, to grow tomatoes and green beans, to sew on a button or to sew up a wound on a person, a pet or livestock.
You know, when it ALL goes South, I’m gonna be Queen of the World! ;)
Nah, they’ll kill me FIRST because I, ‘know too much.’ But FIRST - they gotta catch me. ;)
you know gladys?
she moved to my neighborhood
LOL! She’s everywhere. When talking TO her sometimes I couldn’t remember her name is Judy. A lovely lady, just very nosey.
Her husband isn’t Abner.
You’re right.
I am so sorry for your island's profound loss, Kahuna. This is unspeakably sad. I've never even been to Hawai'i, but it's held in mind by many mainlanders as an American paradise. These stories are like the weeks after 9/11 to me -- they bring tears. God bless you.
The monied interests in England and southern Scotland did it to the highland Scots -- burned them out of their primitive thatched dwellings, for political purposes. The warring highland clans whose Stone Age histories in the highlands stretched back 12,000 years were regarded much the same as our English and Dutch settlers regarded the native Americans. Their hard but wild and free life in nature herding sheep, shooting game, singing and dancing on the magnificent hillsides? Contests of strength or games of golf in the valleys around the misty lochs? Meh.
It was called the Highland Clearances. “The eviction of the Gaels” took place in two phases, between 1750 to 1860.
Those highlanders who survived were driven south to live in shabby tenements and toil as manufacturing wage slaves and import/export dockworkers for the upsurging Industrial Revolution. For a century afterward, Glasgow looked like our Pittsburgh during the steel era—so black with soot it looked like evening at noon, with ghettos full of demoralized or enraged highlanders who didn't wear trousers and couldn't even speak English, with lung disease and urban dangers around every corner.
Someone who actually cares will have to search land or tenancy records, since whole families were incinerated and may have had no outsiders looking for them. Unless, of course, helpful government agents destroy those records, saying they were burned in the fire.
This is so reminiscent of Pompeii. Those who could fled out into the water, where nevertheless, many whose lungs or bodies weren't burned treaded water unto exhaustion or drowned. In the ruined city long covered over by time, archaeological excavators are still finding bodies frozen into ghastly defensive postures as hot ash covered, smothered and roasted them. But nature sent that molten mess, not pompous greedy aholes like in Lahaina.
Given that Hawai'i is full of volcanoes, you'd think all the islands would have developed an effective fire response. But who am I kidding, when money and power wants what it wants?
Just like we quickly knew who killed Kennedy.
As for the possibility of a plan, see post 118.
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