Two Princeton, MIT Scientists Say EPA Climate Regulations Based on a ‘Hoax’

.theepochtimes.com/ ^ | 8/12/2023 | Kevin Stocklin

[bitt]

Physicist, meteorologist testify that the climate agenda is ‘disastrous’ for America

Two prominent climate scientists have taken on the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) new rules to cut CO2 emissions in electricity generation, arguing in testimony that the regulations “will be disastrous for the country, for no scientifically justifiable reason.”

Citing extensive data to support their case, William Happer, professor emeritus in physics at Princeton University, and Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), argued that the claims used by the EPA to justify the new regulations are not based on scientific facts but rather political opinions and speculative models that have consistently proven to be wrong.

“The unscientific method of analysis, relying on consensus, peer review, government opinion, models that do not work, cherry-picking data and omitting voluminous contradictory data, is commonly employed in these studies and by the EPA in the Proposed Rule,” Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen stated. “None of the studies provides scientific knowledge, and thus none provides any scientific support for the Proposed Rule.”

“All of the models that predict catastrophic global warming fail the key test of the scientific method: they grossly overpredict the warming versus actual data,” they stated. “The scientific method proves there is no risk that fossil fuels and carbon dioxide will cause catastrophic warming and extreme weather.”

Climate models like the ones that the EPA is using have been consistently wrong for decades in predicting actual outcomes, Mr. Happer told The Epoch Times. He presented the table below to the EPA to illustrate his point.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/_next/image?url=https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2023/08/11/id5460761-Model-vs-Actual-600x412.jpg&w=1200&q=75

“That was already an embarrassment in the ‘90s, when I was director of energy research in the U.S. Department of Energy,” he said. “I was funding a lot of this work, and I knew very well then that the models were overpredicting the warming by a huge amount.”

He and his colleague argued that the EPA has grossly overstated the harm from CO2 emissions while ignoring the benefits of CO2 to life on Earth.

Many who have fought against EPA climate regulations have done so by arguing what is called the “major questions doctrine,” that the EPA does not have the authority to invent regulations that have such an enormous impact on Americans without clear direction from Congress. Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen, however, have taken a different tack, arguing that the EPA regulations fail the “State Farm” test because they are “arbitrary and capricious.”

“Time and again, courts have applied ‘State Farm’s’ principles to invalidate agency rules where the agency failed to consider an important aspect of the problem, or cherry-picked data to support a pre-ordained conclusion,” they stated. The case they referred to is the 2003 case of State Farm v. Campell (pdf), in which the Supreme Court argued that “a State can have no legitimate interest in deliberately making the law so arbitrary that citizens will be unable to avoid punishment based solely upon bias or whim.”

According to Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen’s testimony, “600 million years of CO2 and temperature data contradict the theory that high levels of CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming.”

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[lizma2]

https://altamontenterprise.com/09252019/elitists-have-created-myth-climate-change-eliminate-national-sovereignty

[Bounced2X]

Yes. Remember the push in the 1990s and early 2000s to switch to clean burning natural gas for buses and other vehicles? Because the main tailpipe emissions were CO2 and water.

Yep. I remember the '70s and the coming ice age too.

[chopperk]

One very important thing; the Earth is a living dynamic changing entity. Climate changers assumes the Earth is a fixed unchanging vessel and it is far from it. As demands are placed upon the Earth it adjusts accordingly with variable Weather, Winds, temps and surface pressures to name just a few variables. These variables adjust constantly to compensate for Volcanoes, Hurricanes, Sun Spots and other phenomena that make the Earth stay in a potential unbalanced state of Equilibrium.................

[Brian Griffin]

“Base load affected facilities that follow the CCS pathway must meet a second phase standard based on 90% capture of CO2, using CCS, by 2035”

“Baseload affected facilities that follow the low-GHG hydrogen pathway must meet a second phase standard based on co-firing 30% low-GHG hydrogen by volume by 2032 and a third phase standard based on cofiring 96% by volume low-GHG hydrogen by 2038”

https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2023-05/FS-OVERVIEW-GHG-for%20Power%20Plants%20FINAL%20CLEAN.pdf

[Ranxerox]

Bump

[Brian Griffin]

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/09/what-heatwave-latest-data-show-july-temperature-in-u-s-was-normal/

Disappointing data for Reverend Al Gore’s flock:
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/national-temperature-index/time-series/anom-tavg/1/0

[frank ballenger]

Today professors. Tomorrow “on suspension.” Next week: Crossing guards at elementary schools (to stay in the education field). Sorry, no freedom of speech.

[frank ballenger]

Photo....
She’s never worried.
Weather forecasters and economists can be wrong dozens of times and still keep their jobs.

[glorgau]

Emeritus- means they don’t have to do the grant seeking to survive any more.

[wjcsux]

later

[oldtech]

They only found TWO of these fellows who are experts in their field who don’t believe the government line on “climate change” & associated baloney? This is hard to believe. There must be a lot of them who truly follow the science of such things & think the same as these two. I know there WERE more, but some of them may have passed away. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’d take the word of Richard Lindzen or William Happer any day over anyone in our EPA or anyone else in the Biden administration for that matter.

[Reily]

Read the following sites - Science not propaganda!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

https://notrickszone.com/

[rlmorel]

I love it. The "follow the data" people (people who say that but are unwilling to define a woman by the existing scientific fact of XX-XY chromosomes) are going to have to fight real science with their false science.

Granted, we all know they will simply pretend these scientists did not challenge the current climate "consensus" that everyone knows is true, but their careers will be savaged, research funds to them will shrink or dry up.

Says a lot for them that they speak the truth, and never did Orwell's "In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act" quote ring so relevantly.

So the dissenting scientists presented this graph below to support their claims:

The thing that is resonating in me is the absolute BS they have peddled to us about climate since the Seventies, and they have used graphs EXACTLY like the one above to push at people who were (and are) unwilling to discount something a learned or important person would say. At the very least, they took it at face value as either true, accurate, or both.

People would see that graph like the one above and think "Well, it sure looks like they researched the hell out of that, so...who am I to argue or discount it?" because they didn't possess the tools or means to evaluate the issue, the experts were deemed trustworthy, and the issue became settled.

And seeing the "learned" or "important" people who cynically and enthusiastically leveraged that nature in people to gain the upper hand in their efforts to accrue more power to themselves induced quite a bit of anger in me.

Using people's innocent trust and general good nature as a vital tool in the effort to tyrannize them seems particularly galling to me.

It is how I felt when Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, said the following (link to video):

I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes.

If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.

Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.

And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not..."

That quote above is a signal example of this dynamic. And it is nice to see people, willing at great risk to themselves, to fight fake fire with real fire fire, like these scientists.

They may lose much, but God bless them all for saying the truth. And we need more of it.

[unread]

"Two Princeton, MIT Scientists Say EPA Climate Regulations Based on a ‘Hoax’"

Well, DUH..!

I'm just a hill jack setn' out here in the woods of Appalachia and I spotted that as soon as I saw the look on Al Gore's face...

[kvanbrunt2]

Its against the law to use science to disprove climate changes./s

[rlmorel]

Odd. Cannot get that graph to post. It is at the link at the top of the thread.

[wjcsux]

Climate scam is a multi billion dollar international criminal enterprise.

[Grampa Dave]

Regulatory Science as Propaganda
J.R. BRUNING AUGUST 13, 2023

Brownstone Institute

In a pattern akin to the respect demanded of high priests, the only purveyors of God’s message; special scientists were the Final Word when it came to The Science and health-based risk throughout COVID-19.

Like high priests, their scientific claims could not be questioned!

If we didn’t acquiesce to the technology, we were not only anti-science and anti-vax.
We would be anti-health!:

Extracted:

https://brownstone.org/articles/regulatory-science-as-propaganda/

[lizma2]

Thx for those links! Interesting.

[Grampa Dave]

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