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Prosecutors drop charges against mom, 14-year-old son in killing of man at hot dog stand { Chicago }
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | Jun 26, 2023 | Matthew Hendrickson

Posted on 06/27/2023 4:11:23 AM PDT by Salman

Citing “emerging evidence,” prosecutors have dropped murder charges against a woman and her 14-year-old son less than a week after the woman was accused of ordering her son to kill a man who had punched her at a South Side hot dog stand.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
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To: GrootheWanderer

If you can’t shoot a witness.....then whats the use in living??


21 posted on 06/27/2023 5:35:27 AM PDT by Lockbar (Even when you think you finally have enough ammo, you still really don't have enough. )
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To: ConservativeInPA

Putting blacks in jail is now criminal behavior


22 posted on 06/27/2023 5:40:45 AM PDT by NativeSon ( *> <*)
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To: desertsolitaire

From the description, it seems that this woman is a psycho killer and turned her 14-year-old into one.

They seem like black street thugs, the usual, don’t dis me killers.


23 posted on 06/27/2023 5:46:22 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Skywise

BS! That is NOT self-defense any longer.


I agree. Once the Perp bolted the scene, it was no longer self defense.

The mother might claim temporary insanity (stupidity?) from all the blows she took to the head.


24 posted on 06/27/2023 5:50:41 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ConservativeInPA

So it gets me thinking that either there is selective prosecution or there is an inalienable right to self defense and defense of one’s family. Or something else. I’m no lawyer. So which is it?


If it scenario had played out where the mother/son were white, we all know what the outcome woudl be.


25 posted on 06/27/2023 5:52:19 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rlmorel

That young man is 14 years old. It is NOT legal in the State of Illinois for a 14 year old to possess a handgun. He doesn’t have a FOID card, which is needed in Illinois to posses a handgun, or ANY firearm.
Self defense my a**. In Illinois, shooting someone in the back doesn’t count as self defense, especially if the person being shot is running away.

This is wrong on so many levels. BUT, it’s Chicago, so……


26 posted on 06/27/2023 6:19:45 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: Skywise

BS! That is NOT self-defense any longer.

You are absolutely right.


27 posted on 06/27/2023 6:22:12 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: Salman

There’s got to be more to this story since “emerging evidence” is the reason to drop the charges.

I’m guessing the parties involved knew each other. It’s possible Brown had threatened to go to Hood’s place to attack someone else.

EC


28 posted on 06/27/2023 6:23:27 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: Bulwinkle

As a juror, I will not convict anyone of any felony in connection with taking out the trash.


29 posted on 06/27/2023 6:24:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Skywise
That is NOT self-defense any longer

Sure it is, you see if the son did not do the deed to Bootsie, well one day Bootsie most likely would pay back the mom and son.... so the mom was just taking care of future problems. Isn’t Chicago great!

30 posted on 06/27/2023 6:24:48 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Salman

The statement didn’t specify what the new evidence is, but it comes after video surfaced over the weekend that appears to show Jeremy Brown, the man who was killed, punching Hood immediately before he was shot June 18.
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Rush to judgment by video:

1. We need to see the new evidence and compare it to the old evidence.

2. And what is meant by “immediately” before the shooting?


31 posted on 06/27/2023 6:34:15 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: rbg81

“The mother might claim temporary insanity (stupidity?) from all the blows she took to the head.”

That’s the best explanation I’ve seen.


32 posted on 06/27/2023 6:36:32 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: LeonardFMason
This woman and her son will be dead soon in retaliation.

South Side of Chicago...a man named Brown...

33 posted on 06/27/2023 6:44:04 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: telescope115

I could be mistaken. I thought I did read where he had a legal license and proper firearm and if I got it mixed up, I apologize.

I believe you would be correct. A 14 year old cannot legally own a firearm in Illinois.

Good catch.


34 posted on 06/27/2023 7:22:03 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: telescope115
it’s Chicago, so……


35 posted on 06/27/2023 7:30:36 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Salman

It’s a good thing the kid had a gun so he could shoot the guy that “dissed” his mother in the back. The cops probably wouldn’t have come anyway. sarc/


36 posted on 06/27/2023 7:45:33 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (A man in NM is killed over a movie theater seat. The azhos in The Swamp think guns are the problem. )
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To: rlmorel

No prob.

I have a concealed carry permit here in Illinois. I’m no expert on the law, but I’m pretty sure I know know what “self defense” is in this messed up state…


37 posted on 06/27/2023 8:13:49 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: rlmorel

Another thing…Mom should be in trouble as well for ordering her son to shoot the guy. The guy who hit her was at fault, too.

Everybody reacted poorly.


38 posted on 06/27/2023 8:16:47 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

I think everyone on this thread is overthinking the “self defense” or “is it legal” arguments.

I think that a man was laying hands on a mother of a boy who had a weapon, probably very little training, questionable self control/discipline and no legal education did what HAD to be done. He HAD to kill the guy.

The reason he HAD to kill the man was that if the man attacking his mom was arrested, wounded, injured or even disrespected, this man WOULD have returned and continued or finished the attack.

That is why you kill attackers/robbers/rapists when they see your face, take your id, live in your neighborhood or know where you live.... they will not release you from their “influence” and will return in order to steal more, kill you as a witness (so they won’t return to prison) or to show others that they are not to be trifled with.

As far as predicting the fate of the mother/son... “they’re not going to live very long” or “they’ll be killed”....Meh, they already lived with that threat and have lived with that type of threat from the time that kid was born. It’s cultural and is what most keyboard, middle class, legal experts and commenters don’t realize.

I grew up in that type of “place” and we NEVER called the cops except if bodies needed to be removed. Not one burglary, strong arm robbery, assault etc... was ever reported by locals... maybe a visitor or relative that didn’t live in the neighborhood would... but not the locals. Of course we were not a very “diverse” neighborhood.

Back in the early 60’s my grandfather was pushed down off a curb and robbed. As teenagers my father (God rest his soul)future Marine and cousin (future superintendent of school district) found the young man, broke his arms and legs with crowbars and left him in the street. My grandfather never owned a car and walked and took the bus for the next 20 years without a bother.

Sending someone to prison is just making sure that they hone their skill set and acquire better training in distributing violence and desensitizing them to violence.

Was it “right” or “justified” or even “legal” to kill that man......If asked by investigators I’d (shrugging my shoulders) say, ...” I don’t know anything and it’s none of my business.”


39 posted on 06/27/2023 8:20:11 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 "deo duce ferro comitantes" <p><b><i></I><i> </i><p>/B><P> <img src=""> )
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To: telescope115

I have the same problem in my very blue state. But it is pretty clear-you can shoot to remove a threat, but if someone is running away, the threat is considered removed by the law.


40 posted on 06/27/2023 8:30:17 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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