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Trump and DeSantis Are on a Mission to Destroy the Civil Service
Intelligencer via MSN ^ | 15 Jun 23 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 06/15/2023 7:43:40 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

It’s not terribly surprising that Donald Trump wants to tear that system down. His idol, after all, is Andrew Jackson, who championed the “spoils system” as a populist revolt against the emergence of a cadre of professional administrators who remained in federal offices for multiple administrations. But for all his talk of “clearing the swamp” and replacing “deep state” civil servants with his own loyal supporters, Trump didn’t make destruction of the civil-service system a key first-term priority. It wasn’t until October 2020 that he issued an executive order creating a new Schedule F classification of political appointees to include most policymaking positions in the higher levels of the bureaucracy. Like a lot of alarming things Trump proposed, Schedule F didn’t get implemented, and Joe Biden quickly revoked the executive order and restored the traditional civil service.

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Like Trump, DeSantis believes that federal law-enforcement agencies are abusing power systematically whenever they get in the way of conservative policy initiatives or prosecute Republican officeholders. So his makeover plan will focus on decapitating the FBI and the Department of Justice generally, according to Philip Wegmann of RealClearPolitics:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been working for months on plans to tear down and rebuild both the Department of Justice and the FBI, consulting with experts and members of Congress to develop a “Day One” strategy to end what conservatives see as the weaponization of the justice system.

The governor has privately told advisors that he will hire and fire plenty of federal personnel, reorganize entire agencies, and execute a “disciplined” and “relentless” strategy to restore the Justice Department to a mission more in line with what the “Founding Fathers envisioned.”

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: agitprop; civilservice; desantis; florida; rondesantis; russiansuicide; swamp; trump; whydontyoulovevlad
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To: Tell It Right
Actually, Martin van Buren organized the Trail of Tears, by ordering the forcible removal of Cherokee who had not complied with the Treaty of Echota (negotiated during the Jackson presidency).

Van Buren the effete New Yorker has much less of a justification or excuse for dumping the Cherokee than a man who suffered personally on the frontier.

41 posted on 06/15/2023 8:25:24 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Any bureaucratic institution minus a major shakeup in nearly a hundred years has become self-serving and corrupt.

Far far far too many bureaucrats have been in place longer than most any elected government representative. That should change. There should be term limits on all federal bureaucrats, who should serve at most no more than then years and in some cases no more than six.

Dims, Leftists and Progressives will complain that is an impossible task because there are 1.2 million federal civlian employees, excluding those civilians working for the DOD or the military branches. Our answer is that those huge numbers are part of the problem. We need leaner federal agencies whose mission is more narrowly “federal” focused and not trying to run and decide everything for the whole country. Many so-called “national” decisions and policies should be left to the states.


42 posted on 06/15/2023 8:26:52 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Aevery_Freeman

You really think politicians are term limited?
In theory maybe in practice NO! They can die in the position and their corpse could rot in the chair if not one carried it out!


43 posted on 06/15/2023 8:27:55 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You don’t have to sell me on them. I am already a fan!


44 posted on 06/15/2023 8:28:44 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Destroy civil service?

More like make public service a profession where civil servants serve the public and not the other way around. The entitled "deep state" defines their bureaucratic enablers as "the middle class."

The rest of us are either peasants or part of the ruling class elite.

45 posted on 06/15/2023 8:28:55 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
His idol, after all, is Andrew Jackson, who championed the “spoils system” as a populist revolt against the emergence of a cadre of professional administrators who remained in federal offices for multiple administrations.

Sounds perfect to me.

46 posted on 06/15/2023 8:33:15 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Erik Latranyi

Civil Service System = Administrative Deep State


47 posted on 06/15/2023 8:33:48 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Erik Latranyi

Much if the Civil Service is hellbent on destroying the republic.


48 posted on 06/15/2023 8:35:40 AM PDT by fuente (Liberty resides in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box--Fredrick Douglas)
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To: RoosterRedux

That would be nice but the only one who appears loyal to Trump is Vivek Ramaswamy. I like him and he’s smart as a whip.


49 posted on 06/15/2023 8:37:27 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I certainly hope so. Civil Servics was originally passed to ostensibly deal with the problem of patronage and wholesale firing of government employees with each turnover of administrations. The medicine, as is normal with government problem solving was ultimately far worse than the disease it was supposed to cure. It created the Permanent Government that works for its own interests and often at odds with the policies of the sitting President. The goal is always increasing the power of the offices.


50 posted on 06/15/2023 8:40:36 AM PDT by arthurus ( * Covefe bef)
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To: Eva

Another mistake that was made was ending the civil service as a separate non-departmental commission. By doing that it lost its “independence” even though by then it was gone somewhat in practice by the creeping unionization. However, keeping it separate would have made it easier to restore that “independence”. Placing the civil service under the executive branch makes it much easier to politicize and allows unionization to grow.

With it under the executive branch Trump or DeSantis can with a EO make it all “Schedule C”. It is a solution but not a good one because the next Rat administration (and there will be one!) can simply undo that EO. Putting it back into a separate commission with appropriate legislation would make that harder


51 posted on 06/15/2023 8:41:50 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
They say that like it is a bad thing.
52 posted on 06/15/2023 8:42:12 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well, it is 3-4 times larger than it should be.


53 posted on 06/15/2023 8:44:21 AM PDT by Boomer (The biden regime / identity politics is a clear and present threat to this constitutional republic.)
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To: Wuli
Something I'd love to see:

The President steps to the podium and announces the following Executive Order:

With the exception of the military, all federal agencies will find their budgets trimmed by 10%, effective tomorrow. If you are not capable of providing the same, or better, service within this budget, you will be replaced by someone who can.

Have a nice day.

54 posted on 06/15/2023 8:45:03 AM PDT by econjack
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To: arthurus

if it were me...

1. All employees back to office 100% of the time.
2. ALL new hires, no pension 401k
3. No more “cadilac” health care, Obamacare for you!
4. pay freeze for x years.
5. if they strike.. lay them All off.
No more recognition of unions/ collective bargaining.
6. Move locations out of DC area.
7. base salaries off of prevailing wages of that new area.


55 posted on 06/15/2023 8:45:16 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: uranium penguin
base salaries off of prevailing wages of that new area.

For unskilled labor

56 posted on 06/15/2023 8:46:55 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Erik Latranyi

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLGOVT

Doesn’t look like much of war going on in Florida if those stats are accurate...


57 posted on 06/15/2023 8:48:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Gov't Employee Unions should be ILLEGAL!!!

As FDR noted, They sit on both sides of the bargaining table!!!!!

58 posted on 06/15/2023 8:48:28 AM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

A president has the ability to fire somewhere between 3,500 to 6,000 federal employees. The next Republican president should do that immediately after taking the oath of office. The Congress could do far more by refusing to fund the Departments of Energy, Education, Housing and Urban Development, EPA, FBI, and a hundred other worthless and criminal agencies. Our states could pick up any workload that was really needed.


59 posted on 06/15/2023 8:53:02 AM PDT by Scott Kraut (Diversity for the sake of diversity is flat out stupidity.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Trump and DeSantis Are on a Mission to Destroy the Civil Service”

AKA - the deep state, AKA - the swamp.


60 posted on 06/15/2023 8:53:55 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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