Posted on 06/14/2023 9:11:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
As soon as the federal indictment of President Trump was unsealed, we were treated to stories featuring photos of “boxes of documents” stored in various rooms at Mar-a-Lago — including boxes in places like on the stage in the White and Gold Ballroom, and even in a bathroom:
Like the photos from the raid showing classified documents splayed out on the floor, these photos created a certain impression with the public. Just look at how many boxes there are! Look where they were put! Dozens of boxes all over the place, where anyone could get them.
But as Newsmax host Greg Kelly pointed out, it’s “a scam” that’s poisoning the public’s perception of Donald Trump in this case. Why? Because, as Kelly noted, the actual number of classified documents that were found at Mar-a-Lago could fit into one single box, with ample room to spare.
“You don’t have to be a lawyer to look at this and know that it’s a scam,” Kelly said. “Number one, in that indictment, they put some pictures in the indictment to scare us. Ooh, look at all these boxes. The classified documents in the boxes. These pictures are actually in the indictment, and there are dozens and dozens of boxes.”
He continued, “So I went through the indictment and saw that how many documents, classified documents, did the FBI actually recover? 102.”
Kelly then pulled out a box like the ones in the photos. “So, everybody, I got a box right here, alright? This is one box.” He then showed an intact full ream of paper — 500 pages — plus another 100 sheets of loose pages to represent the actual classified documents that were found. They didn’t even come close to filling a single box.
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Unequivocally No. Prove me wrong. In fact, The Presidential Records Act was written to try and cover this issue but it is not a criminal statue but civil. But that act cannot be enforced on the President as per the Clinton Sock draw case. BJs private conversations we were told by the judge were secret and his possession of them couldn't be questioned.
As soon as the president took it from the white house they were declassified by his power as the chief executive. Declassified stamps and markings are employed by whom? Has each elected president been given an official stamp of some kind that he must use to make it official? Take it to its logical conclusion you can see how this case is total BS.
The entire case should be thrown out on this clear point.
Doesn’t matter what he said. The very act of him taking the documents from the white house declassified them by the very act. This is the power of the sitting President as chief executive.
Already happened. Remember Vince Foster west wing file moving operation? BJs sock drawer? What happened there? What was in those files, on the audio tape? Was it classified? No, but they were BJs to do what with he wanted said the judge in the sock drawer case.
“My understanding is that Trump is accused of taking documents he did not in fact have a legal right to, but we’ll see how this plays out.”
If that’s the case, then no president has the right to take any document.
Bidung on the other hand had zero legal authority to have in his possession any of the boxes of documents he had laying unsecured around his house.
IMO, this whole case against President Trump is nothing more than an attempt by the deep state to white wash Hillary’s and Bidung’s illegal possession of classified documents.
In Hillary’s case, our entire HUMINT (HUMan INTelligence) network in China that literally took decades to build got rolled, and those assets are either in prison or dead.
“ As soon as the president took it from the white house they were declassified by his power as the chief executive.”
A lot of people claim this, yet no one can point to any law, rule, regulation or court precedent to support this. And as a matter of logic, it doesn’t make sense. When Trump was president, I’m sure there were a lot of documents he took with him when he travelled, but those documents were not automatically declassified the minute they left the White House. If that were true, and say someone accidentally left those papers where a member of the public could access them, or even if someone stole them, then no one could be held responsible for mishandling classified documents, because according to your position, just the fact that Trump took them out of the White House means they were declassified.
If that’s the case, then no president has the right to take any document.
It's not an all or nothing thing. Presidents have the right to take some documents, but not others. I don't know which category these documents belonged to, but I'm sure we'll find out.
Just an observation....you really sound like you are working hard to prove the deep state case here.
Yep! Or they might all be full of MAGA hats and t-shirts.
Which would be enough to have DJT and his family designated
domestic terrorists and Mar-a-Lago a terrorist training camp.
Everyone is so focused on the unfairness of the charges that they immediately want to dismiss the idea the charges have any validity. Two things can be true simultaneously. This can be (and is) a politically motivated attack on the primary opponent of the sitting president and is a complete double standard. That’s one truth. The other truth is that Trump left himself open to this line of attack by the way he handled things, knowing that they were gunning for him, and that he could be in real legal peril. Ignoring that possibility is not dealing with reality. Everyone spends a lot of time talking about the classified documents, and there is a lot of disagreement about if or how or when documents may have been declassified, but that is not where the real risk for Trump is. I would not be surprised if the 31 charges related to the documents get tossed, but it is the false statements charges and conspiracy charges that are the danger. Those are separate acts that are not reliant in the documents charges to be proven. But no one is talking about those allegations and how to address them.
RE: Unequivocally No. Prove me wrong. In fact, The Presidential Records Act was written to try and cover this issue but it is not a criminal statue but civil.
The indictment never mentioned the Presidential Records Act, it mentioned supposedly, violations of the Espionage Act.
“To get a search warrant, you need more than speculation, you need probable cause. The FBI was able to convince a judge they had probable cause to believe that Trump still had more classified documents that he hadn’t turned over. They based that in part on video tapes showing boxes being removed before they could be searched by Trump’s attorney, and by the fact that the boxes that were not removed did have classified documents. Since the search warrant did recover another 102 documents, it seems that they were correct.”
Paraphrasing Bill Buckley, “I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you believe what you posted.”
could, might, perhaps, conceivably, allegedly, possibly...
I am talking about him taking them personally, for his use, personal residence etc...
All authority over how/when/where any document is classified exists solely with executive branch of government.
Period.
The president, being the elected head of the executive branch has absolute authority regarding those same documents to do with whatever he sees fit.
It is an absolute authority.
The deep state is trying to claim they have the authority, over the elected head of their own branch of government, to determine the disposition and use of those same documents.
If this succeeds, the dep state will LEAGALY have all authority over all aspects of our government, and the president will only have the authority they say he can have.
This is the single biggest legal case in the history of our country.
Not many people seem to get that.
It’s not JUST about Trump. This is the Deep State/Security agencies attempt to claim all power over our government.
“.... It’s not.”
Mostly shoes, shirts and other personal items.
and if Joe Biden were in the same boat as Trump that would be your response...? take his word for it...?
In the identical circumstances, yes. It's a no-brainer. Why would you even ask that question?
I heard it stated by Kash Patel in an interview. Only given that Kash was a national security advisor, I took him at his word.
He also explained that POTUS declassified one document in his presence, simply by declaring it declassified.
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Elsewhere, I read that the ONLY record of DECLASSIFICATION of any document is recorded ONLY in “the System”, and never stamped on the classified document itself.
In other words all documents marked Classified forever retain their classified markings.
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This is why FBI mafia would lose their case around their wrongful taking of Maralago, if they implied Trump held Classified docs. All classified docs keep the classified marking, after DECLASS.
SO, FBI is not charging wrongful possession of Classified docs against Trump.
They’re stuck with charging him with some ACT in violating DOD protocols.
The problem is the ACT itself applies to those who are subject TO the ACT and their superiors enforcing it.
The Commander In Chief is not subject to the Justice Department and FBI.
And the word of warhawk General Milley, over that of Trump will meet a swift and glorious, public buriel. 😁🥳
Milley may be selecting, now, the rainbow colored dress in which he prefers to be laid.
🤔 ... out, in?
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