Posted on 06/12/2023 6:34:18 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Some people love electric vehicles (EVs). They drive them relatively short distances to work, charge them overnight in their garages and never stop for gas. Others, due to cost, convenience and climate, prefer gasoline-powered vehicles.
Thankfully, Americans today still have that choice. But if the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) latest proposed rule on car emissions is finalized as written, they won’t for much longer.
The new rule would require 60 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. to be battery-powered electric by 2030 and 67 percent by 2032, compared to just 6 percent today. This would effectively eliminate the choice of gasoline-powered cars for American drivers and make the economy more dependent on China, a source of the minerals needed to create their batteries.
The public has only until July 5 to comment.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Any government organization that attempts crap like this must be shuttered.
In answer to your question - yes.
There is no either/or. Both conditions apply.
Its a plan that’s never going to happen. 🙄
Owning and ICE powered vehicle will become very expensive in the future and will be only obtainable for the uber-wealthy.
What was once something for the masses (horses, cars) will be only available to the most wealthy.
I still don’t know where the Greenies think this power to charge these cars will come from. They want the grid to be powered by wind and solar, but what happens on a windless night? Where do they think the stored power is coming from? 100 megawatt batteries? There’s a certain justice to the rolling brownouts in CA since the Greenies have blocked every new power plant for the past 20 years and it’s going to get worse before it gets better if Dufus gets his way.
Finally, how does the EPA get to set laws without Congressional oversight? Or is this just another example of how our Congress lets us down by not doing their job?
Yes, they have wanted that for decades. But now, with autonomous vehicles, they can create it without the same "herding cattle" into buses and trains.
Centrally controlled, autonomous vehicles will give them full control over your mobility while creating the illusion that you have freedom of movement and choice.
In other news, the monthly ration of chocolate has been increased four grams.
A good many 2015 and earlier model gasoline-powered vehicles shall still be on the road and daily users in 2030 and even 2032, There will be a huge aftermarket demand for the necessary parts to keep these vehicles in running condition. New vehicle sales shall plunge to levels not known except in time of war. Between December 7, 1941 and about July or so in 1945, NO new automobiles were for sale in the United States. There was still some limited manufacture going on, but it was all and entirely for exclusive military use as staff cars and diplomatic vehicles. Supply of new automobiles did not catch up with demand until about the mid-1950’s. Many of the old prewar vehicles were virtually remanufactured in the years between 1945 and about 1953 or so, restorations to original factory specifications.
Little-known statistic - of the four million or so of Model A Fords built between 1928 and 1931, two million or so were still daily drivers in 1950. They had such a high survival ratio because almost anyone could overhaul one under a shade tree in the back yard. Of course, driving one was like trying to pilot a chicken coop down the road.
True that. My wife's retired and I'm quasi-retired, working from home a lot. So I bought an EV last year when it was time to replace her car anyway. Since I was looking at spending $10K to buy her another used ICE crossover (used cars have gone up!!), and since the EV tax credit is $7,500 (assuming you have that much in tax liability), the EV vs ICE decision for us had $17,500 leaning towards EV. (Though in reality, the EV tax credit artificially inflates the price of the EV, so it doesn't help anyway, but that's another argument for getting rid of government subsidies in EV's as well as college tuition and medical costs.) But the tax credit is what it is, so I used that as part of my decision making.
One EV we were looking at was the Kia EV6, which we could have gotten for $50K (after taxes and fees). So a comparable new ICE car would have to be under $42,500, before getting into having to be even cheaper than that to offset the gas savings of an EV. Then that gets into how much you drive (you have to drive enough to have enough gas savings to warrant the cost). My wife and I put 26K miles on our EV, even though this month is the 1-year anniversary of owning it. About 23K miles of that is charging at home. (We drove it about 4K miles on trips, which means charging away from home, but with each trip the first 250 or so miles were charged at home, assuming driving 80 mph.) And with most of the new EV's (including the aforementioned Kia EV6 as well as the more expensive one my wife and I got since it'll be probably the only new car of our marriage), at the fast road-side chargers they take about 10-15 minutes to charge to 80%, which will get you 200 or so miles. That exactly corresponds to have often my wife wants to stop and walk around anyway even if we take the ICE pickup on trips (which we do if the trip involves pickup chores or if it's in a direction that has few roadside chargers). If I wasn't on a free charging plan for the first 2 years of owning the EV, each charging stop would average about $10 (call it 20 miles per dollar).
Even with all of that, don't get an EV unless you research other things. Like: how much your insurance would go up (for me it was $70/month, much of which is the difference between liability only coverage of the old used car vs full coverage of the new EV), exactly how much you pay for your power per kWh (it's probably more than your utility's stated rate, last month for me it was 15.79 cents/kWh even though Alabama Power says it's only 12.43 cents), do you need two cars anyway so that you'll have an ICE car for when the EV isn't good enough, etc.
And in my case, the EV is part of a larger project of going solar and being about 80% energy independent. For me, the EV's local driving and first 250 miles of each road trip is practically free. It's my way of giving my retirement financial planning a cushion against the Dims' stupid energy policies jacking up our energy costs. Future energy costs are one less variable I have to plan against with my wife and I retiring in our 50's and needing enough investment money to live on for decades.
It is not just the cobalt.
The amount of nickel and copper needed for EVs to go mainstream(say 50% or more) is about 10X the amount being dug out of the ground today.
Much of these two minerals come from Chile. Chile just nationalized the production so that other players like China can not gain control of it.
Keep in mind the grid will need to be tripled in capacity to be able to charge those cars.
China controls most of that cobalt mining in the Congo.
Now, the public wants one, with no regard to the shortcomings.“
Not true, EV’s have gone from 4% to 6% of market share. From what see even those who thought they wanted one are backing away as the multiple down sides become known. Many people are buying ICO cars “while they still can”. The rats plan to regulate ICO cars out of existence. All hope lies with the SC slapping down the overreach.
Quite so.
“Biden’s plan to phase out gas-powered cars is all pain for consumers and no gain”
Wealth sovereigns exempt as always.
Rules are for NEW cars. I drive a 2001 and 2005. Newest I would even consider is 2008 or so. I’ve always driven something 20 years old.
I also own a 1950 and 1953 trucks that can be set on S-10 frames and drive trains. Antiques are usually exempt because the rich own and drive them.
If all else fails; https://www.diyelectriccar.com/
I will not have all that new OEM spy tech in my vehicle.
“Public transport is fine if you live in a civilized society”
That might be more correct if it were “Public transport is fine if you live in a centralized society” ie hives.
I agree that we do not live in a civilized society in the absolute sense of the word.
And he Dept. of energy gal has stocks in what busted.
and private transport will not be affordable
this will force them to live where public transport is available
How can they make laws out of thin air like that and get away with it and all we can do as a people is send in a comment they won’t read?
Yes, this is to drive people onto the little used (in California) public transportation system - which is dirty, unreliable and filled with homeless, some violent.
The pols in the statehouse are trying to get everyone to switch over to electricity - which is already in short supply - and which they well know. I know of know plans to upgrade of increase the amount of electricity available.
We have rolling blackouts in the state or outright shut downs if the wind is blowing and the government says it’s a fire hazard (because the entire system is old hasn’t been upgraded). Gas stoves are being vilified as is anything powered with natural gas.
Where is the source of all this new electricity going to come from? - and how is it going to be generated? Green Energy? Don’t think so. It’s not there, the government knows it and wants people off the roads and into mass transit (latest push is to require payment for miles driven on California’s freeways AND to make them ALL pay roads with a sliding scale as to time of day, none of it free).
“ It’s my way of giving my retirement financial planning a cushion against the Dims’ stupid energy policies jacking up our energy costs.”
Sounds like the enviro-extremist strategy is working as planned - manipulate the price of conventional fuels and ICE vehicles, to the point where it appears that the electric option is less expensive, and the consumer is forced into that choice.
With that said, it’s obvious you made some thoughtful and very intelligent decisions regarding your EV purchase and future energy strategy. You’ve decided what works best for you. Outside of the government intervention aspect, that’s the way it’s supposed to be.
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