Posted on 06/08/2023 5:29:29 AM PDT by dennisw
Members of the Russian elite are turning against the Ukraine war, Bloomberg reported. They best they can hope for is losing without humiliation, the report said. However Putin shows no sign of wanting to end the conflict, it said.
Many members of Russia's elite are growing doubtful about the ability of their president, Vladimir Putin, to win the war in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported.
The best they can hope for is a "frozen" conflict or a loss in which Russia isn't humilated, the report said.
Despite this deepening gloom, Putin shows no sign of wishing to end the war, according to Bloomberg.
The outlet cited seven people with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified given the seriousness of the issues.
It said that many in the upper echelons of Russian politics and business are tired of the war and want it to end.
Five sources told Bloomberg that while no one is willing to "stand up" to Putin over the invasion, belief in his authority has been shaken.
"It is really surprising how widespread among the Russian elite became the idea of a chance that Putin won't win this war," Kirill Rogov, a former Russian government advisor who left the country after the invasion, told Bloomberg.
It is unclear what a victory would look like for Russia, but two sources told Bloomberg they hoped Putin would try and claim a "Pyrrhic victory" on the basis of land in Ukraine that Russia already occupies.
Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian journalist and central bank advisor, told Bloomberg that "'the best they hope for is that Russia will lose without humiliation."
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Your delusions become stronger by the day. You should seek psychiatric help.
Russia’s military has essentially been neutered, with the exception of its nukes. All branches have been severely damaged. Like Hitler in WWII, they are realizing that without a well funded and logistical based army, they’re toast. They have no air force or helicopter Corp remaining. Their tank battalions are now using museum relics from the 1950s.
China is just waiting to come in and take over the prime territory rich in oil and minerals. What’s to stop them? A few nukes?
Foreigner, Zelensky and Biden are losing. That’s been evident from the onset and no amount of noise you make will change the truth. As a man of peace, I and other clear thinkers saw this coming and tried to prevent it by bringing awareness to others. This while cheerleaders like you have ignored the Truth. BTW, you told me you would fight for Zelenskyy if you got the carfare to the battlefront. Does your offer still stand?
“The war is already won”
That’s why Soviet troops occupy Odessa, Kyiv, and Lviv.
If you think Russia is winning you had better not be calling other people ignorant. You stupid idiot.
This rant is by Tom Porter, a Brit scribbler for Business Insider.
In attacking Ukraine, Putin jumped into a trap of his own making that is likely to end with him dead or otherwise out of power. Russia is already suffering a loss of status and power that is irretrievable, but worse is to come, with the Russian military defeated and substantial parts of the Russian federation peeling away.
Yeh I’m sure all the Russian elite are rushing to tell the western press how much they hate Putin and how the war in Ukraine is hopeless. I swear you pro-Ukies are the biggest bunch of ‘tards ever posting such nonsense.
Really? Where did you learn to read?
What do you know that I don’t?
Huh? What do you eat for breakfast?
AGREED!
Sarcasm. The fact that Soviet forces do not occupy those cities means the war is far from won.
The soviets haven't occupied any city on earth since 1991 (well, except D.C. They are still in full control there)
What do you mean by winning? This whole thing saddens me deeply. I have yet to pinpoint who IS in control of all this bloodshed. Would you know?
The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, and with it the Cold war and the usefulness of NATO. Any amount of mumbling to the contrary isn't very bright.
You are welcome!
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