Posted on 05/16/2023 11:13:53 PM PDT by dennisw
The interceptions are an embarrassment for the Russian military. Back in 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin billed the Dagger, or Kinzhal in Russian, as a “next-generation” Russian weapon. Russian officials claimed that the missile can go 10 times faster than the speed of sound, reach any point in Ukraine, and is able to evade all but the most sophisticated air defense systems. Experts questioned those claims, arguing that the missile is just a modification of an existing missile that Putin was trying to rebrand.
Russian officials must be reeling in utter disbelief after seven of their most sophisticated missiles were blasted out of the sky in an incredible night of drama over Kyiv.
When Ukraine’s Defense Express outlet reported that just one Kh-47 “Dagger” missile had been shot down with a U.S.-made Patriot air defense system earlier this month, it prompted fury in Russia.
On Saturday, U.S. officials told CNN that the Russian missile attack on May 5 was targeting the Patriot itself. The Kremlin (Clowns) had believed these weapons were all but “unstoppable.”
Those Russian claims were left in disarray early Tuesday when a further six Kh-47s were reportedly shot down in a single night.
In one of the most intense aerial assaults on the capital since the war began, Ukrainian air defenses took down 18 missiles that were targeting the city.
The night sky over Kyiv was rocked by explosions as the new Patriot missile defense system responded to an unprecedented, coordinated barrage of missiles.
Six of the highly acclaimed Kh-47 missiles were launched from MiG-31K aircraft, three S-400 cruise missiles were fired from land, and a further nine Kalibr cruise missiles were launched from the Black Sea.
All of them were taken out, according to the Ukrainian air force, with no casualties reported.
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Should also be mentioned that Russian indigenous chip fab (i.e., no external supplies or aid) had reached 65nm by early 2020. If they engage in espionage in Taiwan with wartime priority efforts and funding, I wouldn’t be surprised if they suddenly get 14nm or less.
https://asiatimes.com/2022/08/russias-chips-failure-coming-home-to-roost/
Russia’s long-time chips failure coming home to roost
Russia’s two important semiconductor companies, Mikron and Angstrem, are located in Zelenograd. Angstrem was last reported in bankruptcy and there are also legal claims against former directors of its Angstrem-T division concerning “missing” equipment.
Mikron, the last great semiconductor hope for Russia, is working to develop technology that is already more than 2o years old, perhaps as out of date as 30 years. But the company is promising, not delivering.
Russia’s indigenous deficiencies in advanced electronics certainly does mean that it is suffering huge losses in equipment and manpower.
Russia’s high-tech industry is mostly focused on military requirements. That is far different from the US, China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan or European producers, all of which have strong commercial sectors.
Mikron reportedly got their 65nm fab up and running in 2020 and was delivering product from it in late 2020 from what I’d read.
There is also the Elbrus-8S series of 28nm processors out of Moscow’s MCST, but I’m not at all sure where that’s actually fabricated - there were some joint ventures between MCST/Mikron (not to be confused with the American-based Micron company) and TSMC on fabrication. (The 8S was based on TSMC 28nm technology under license.) There was news that Mikron moved *some* contract fabrication they had TSMC doing for them to a fab in Zelenogorsk after the Ukraine War broke out, but I don’t recall any specifics being given.
Yes, and the last we heard from Gen. Custer, his 7th Cavalry Regiment had the Indians cornered at the Little Big Horn River.
Art Bell was OK. And Not in the shallow end of the gene pool, where you get to wade.
Who has NATO spec tanks in Syria?
That is good news for America since we can intercept Russia's front line missiles.
However, it took at least 20 Patriot missiles to accomplish this probably more , and one or more Patriot batteries was reportedly destroyed.
Patriot missiles cost over 5 million dollars each.
So we are looking at a destruction and depletion of about 110 -150 million dollars of America's irreplaceable missile inventory in one night
For what?
The cost of a few cheap Russian missiles?
The Russian “hypersonic” missile being used is little more than a very fast, short range rocket which is pretty crude for a hypersonic missile tech.
This is insane.
Just about every German tank was destroyed including the Tigers.
So you stand with Biden and Soros and The Media?
Interesting.
I guess you believe that they’ve stopped lying to us.
And then you call names? Who’s the ‘dunce’
Turkey - former Bundeswehr 2A4s and 2A5s. Technically still front-line NATO spec for many countries in Europe.
Those things getting shredded is why the US Army stopped waiting for the vaporware Raytheon QuickKill APS for the Abrams and hastily bought Israeli Trophy APS systems. Many of the other NATO nations suddenly also decided that those Russian missiles they’d pooh-poohed were something to take seriously and began investing in APS as well.
Estimated cost of the Kinjal missile is 10 million each.
Yup, but more ‘Tigers’ were reported (and reported knocked out) by Allied troops in Normandy than the entire actual wartime production run. They simply identified every tank they came across as the Tiger boogeyman - and again, after the dust settled, a lot of those ‘Tigers’ knocked out turned out to be Panzer IIIs and IVs.
Initial reports from combat actions tend to be a bit less than accurate.
This article reports that 18 missiles were shot down and that 6 were hypersonic. Not all like you are comparing to.
I remember the Drive-By Media talking about the ‘battle-hardened’ Iraq Republican Guard. Between them, and the state-of-the-art Russian military equipment, the United States would be defeated. Later, when President Trump warned the Russians in Syria that we were going to attack, more media lauded the Russians. Too bad the regular Russian people have had such idiots in charge for so long.
From what I have seen from the parts of the missile, they are very simple, use very inexpensive materials and cannot be very expensive to build.
I would doubt they cost anywhere near 10 million dollars.
I doubt that we can replace Patriot missiles for 10 million a pop in 2023 dollars.
I doubt that we can afford replace them even at 10 million bucks. We cannot even afford to properly repair our Navy.
Little in Ukraine is worth 100 million a night in defense costs - except the Western weapons sent to defend the country.
The point is that the identification of “Tiger” or “hypersonic missile” or whatever else is flat out suspect for the same reasons - the boogeyman of the day is what gets reported as being vanquished.
The Russian gear in both cases was export grade - i.e., dumbed down, reduced capability gear that would fare poorly if turned against its manufacturer. For example, none of the Republican Guard armor had the long-existing Russian APS as those were never provided in export models.
We do the same thing - until recently, we would export M1 Abrams tanks, but we did not sell them with the same electronics package and we definitely did not sell them with the depleted uranium composite armor. Again - export models are deliberately crippled by pretty much everyone.
But your point insisted all gets reported as the boogeyman when right in this article that is not the case. Add to that information gathering in WW2 was primitive compared to what they have today. I think you can stop spamming me now unless you have information that actually fits.
-sigh- And you continue to miss the point, probably deliberately. The point is that ALL frontline reporting is of questionable accuracy until it can be confirmed. This is historically borne out over the last few centuries.
Simple? Kinjal is 9.500 lb missile, which has to be air launched by either the Mig-31 or TU22 bomber. Cost of Patriot missile is 3 million.
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