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Humiliation for Putin’s ‘Unstoppable’ Superweapons Blasted Out of Sky by U.S. Defense System
MSN -- Daily Beast ^ | 5-17 | Marcel Plichta

Posted on 05/16/2023 11:13:53 PM PDT by dennisw

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To: dennisw

Should also be mentioned that Russian indigenous chip fab (i.e., no external supplies or aid) had reached 65nm by early 2020. If they engage in espionage in Taiwan with wartime priority efforts and funding, I wouldn’t be surprised if they suddenly get 14nm or less.


21 posted on 05/17/2023 12:27:23 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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https://asiatimes.com/2022/08/russias-chips-failure-coming-home-to-roost/

Russia’s long-time chips failure coming home to roost

Russia’s two important semiconductor companies, Mikron and Angstrem, are located in Zelenograd. Angstrem was last reported in bankruptcy and there are also legal claims against former directors of its Angstrem-T division concerning “missing” equipment.

Mikron, the last great semiconductor hope for Russia, is working to develop technology that is already more than 2o years old, perhaps as out of date as 30 years. But the company is promising, not delivering.
Russia’s indigenous deficiencies in advanced electronics certainly does mean that it is suffering huge losses in equipment and manpower.

Russia’s high-tech industry is mostly focused on military requirements. That is far different from the US, China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan or European producers, all of which have strong commercial sectors.


22 posted on 05/17/2023 12:32:13 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Mikron reportedly got their 65nm fab up and running in 2020 and was delivering product from it in late 2020 from what I’d read.

There is also the Elbrus-8S series of 28nm processors out of Moscow’s MCST, but I’m not at all sure where that’s actually fabricated - there were some joint ventures between MCST/Mikron (not to be confused with the American-based Micron company) and TSMC on fabrication. (The 8S was based on TSMC 28nm technology under license.) There was news that Mikron moved *some* contract fabrication they had TSMC doing for them to a fab in Zelenogorsk after the Ukraine War broke out, but I don’t recall any specifics being given.


23 posted on 05/17/2023 12:37:53 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: dennisw

Yes, and the last we heard from Gen. Custer, his 7th Cavalry Regiment had the Indians cornered at the Little Big Horn River.


24 posted on 05/17/2023 12:42:31 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: JonPreston

Art Bell was OK. And Not in the shallow end of the gene pool, where you get to wade.


25 posted on 05/17/2023 12:56:15 AM PDT by dennisw (Hallucinating, dumbass, fake Tsar Putin. Prigozhin + his army need to off him.)
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To: Spktyr

Who has NATO spec tanks in Syria?


26 posted on 05/17/2023 1:22:36 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: dennisw
So the Russians launched 20 missiles that were reportedly destroyed by Patriot missiles.

That is good news for America since we can intercept Russia's front line missiles.

However, it took at least 20 Patriot missiles to accomplish this probably more , and one or more Patriot batteries was reportedly destroyed.

Patriot missiles cost over 5 million dollars each.

So we are looking at a destruction and depletion of about 110 -150 million dollars of America's irreplaceable missile inventory in one night

For what?

The cost of a few cheap Russian missiles?

The Russian “hypersonic” missile being used is little more than a very fast, short range rocket which is pretty crude for a hypersonic missile tech.

This is insane.

27 posted on 05/17/2023 1:40:17 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Spktyr

Just about every German tank was destroyed including the Tigers.


28 posted on 05/17/2023 1:41:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: dennisw

So you stand with Biden and Soros and The Media?

Interesting.

I guess you believe that they’ve stopped lying to us.

And then you call names? Who’s the ‘dunce’


29 posted on 05/17/2023 1:49:12 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Turkey - former Bundeswehr 2A4s and 2A5s. Technically still front-line NATO spec for many countries in Europe.

Those things getting shredded is why the US Army stopped waiting for the vaporware Raytheon QuickKill APS for the Abrams and hastily bought Israeli Trophy APS systems. Many of the other NATO nations suddenly also decided that those Russian missiles they’d pooh-poohed were something to take seriously and began investing in APS as well.


30 posted on 05/17/2023 1:51:00 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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The cost of a few cheap Russian missiles?

Estimated cost of the Kinjal missile is 10 million each.


31 posted on 05/17/2023 1:52:22 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Yup, but more ‘Tigers’ were reported (and reported knocked out) by Allied troops in Normandy than the entire actual wartime production run. They simply identified every tank they came across as the Tiger boogeyman - and again, after the dust settled, a lot of those ‘Tigers’ knocked out turned out to be Panzer IIIs and IVs.

Initial reports from combat actions tend to be a bit less than accurate.


32 posted on 05/17/2023 1:54:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

This article reports that 18 missiles were shot down and that 6 were hypersonic. Not all like you are comparing to.


33 posted on 05/17/2023 1:59:49 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: dennisw

I remember the Drive-By Media talking about the ‘battle-hardened’ Iraq Republican Guard. Between them, and the state-of-the-art Russian military equipment, the United States would be defeated. Later, when President Trump warned the Russians in Syria that we were going to attack, more media lauded the Russians. Too bad the regular Russian people have had such idiots in charge for so long.


34 posted on 05/17/2023 2:03:22 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: tlozo

From what I have seen from the parts of the missile, they are very simple, use very inexpensive materials and cannot be very expensive to build.

I would doubt they cost anywhere near 10 million dollars.

I doubt that we can replace Patriot missiles for 10 million a pop in 2023 dollars.

I doubt that we can afford replace them even at 10 million bucks. We cannot even afford to properly repair our Navy.

Little in Ukraine is worth 100 million a night in defense costs - except the Western weapons sent to defend the country.


35 posted on 05/17/2023 2:12:28 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Berlin_Freeper

The point is that the identification of “Tiger” or “hypersonic missile” or whatever else is flat out suspect for the same reasons - the boogeyman of the day is what gets reported as being vanquished.


36 posted on 05/17/2023 2:19:22 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

The Russian gear in both cases was export grade - i.e., dumbed down, reduced capability gear that would fare poorly if turned against its manufacturer. For example, none of the Republican Guard armor had the long-existing Russian APS as those were never provided in export models.

We do the same thing - until recently, we would export M1 Abrams tanks, but we did not sell them with the same electronics package and we definitely did not sell them with the depleted uranium composite armor. Again - export models are deliberately crippled by pretty much everyone.


37 posted on 05/17/2023 2:22:44 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

But your point insisted all gets reported as the boogeyman when right in this article that is not the case. Add to that information gathering in WW2 was primitive compared to what they have today. I think you can stop spamming me now unless you have information that actually fits.


38 posted on 05/17/2023 2:22:56 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

-sigh- And you continue to miss the point, probably deliberately. The point is that ALL frontline reporting is of questionable accuracy until it can be confirmed. This is historically borne out over the last few centuries.


39 posted on 05/17/2023 2:25:41 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rdcbn1
From what I have seen from the parts of the missile, they are very simple, use very inexpensive materials and cannot be very expensive to build. I would doubt they cost anywhere near 10 million dollars.

Simple? Kinjal is 9.500 lb missile, which has to be air launched by either the Mig-31 or TU22 bomber. Cost of Patriot missile is 3 million.

40 posted on 05/17/2023 2:25:59 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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