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2024 Presidential Candidate Wants To 'Shut Down The FBI,' Replace It
Epoch Times ^ | 05/01/2023 | Jack Phillips

Posted on 05/01/2023 9:05:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said he would attempt to shut down the FBI and replace it with another entity if he’s elected president.


Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy speaks at the National Rifle Association annual convention in Indianapolis, Ind., on April 14, 2023. (Madalina Vasiliu/The Epoch Times)

During an interview with “Meet the Press” on Sunday, Ramaswamy, a businessman, suggested that he does not want to “defund the FBI” after host Chuck Todd suggested it.

I didn’t say defund the FBI. I said shut down the FBI and replace it with something new,” said Ramaswamy on Sunday. “I think it’s a new apparatus built from scratch that actually respects the law instead of making it up.”

“So you’re going to replace the old FBI with a new FBI?” Todd asked in response. “With a new institution built from scratch to carry out federal law enforcement,” Ramaswamy said, “because the existing FBI, the people who work there, have worked there for so long they’ll be getting in their own way.”

I personally believe someone who’s running to actually run the executive branch of the government, when you have a bureaucracy whose culture becomes so ossified, every once in a while, you need to turn it over,” he told “Meet the Press.” He added: “We need federal law enforcement, but that institution has, in a bipartisan way, become so, I think ossified in its own norms, in its own corruption, that we need to rebuild it from scratch and have something new take its place.”

When Todd suggested that Ramaswamy wants to “replace the old FBI with a new FBI,” Ramaswamy stated: “The problem is there’s people who have worked there for decades.”


The FBI headquarters—the J. Edgar Hoover building—in Washington on March 22, 2023. (Richard Moore/The Epoch Times)

“What I say is, if I’m the U.S. president and I can’t work for the federal government for more than eight years—which I think is a good thing—then none of those bureaucrats reporting in to me should either,” he added. “There’s people who have worked there for decades,” he said.

Republicans in recent years have become increasingly critical of the FBI, accusing the agency of targeting the political opponents of Democrats while not investigating actual criminals. Former President Donald Trump has perhaps been the chief critic of both the FBI and the Department of Justice and said both agencies have engaged in a longstanding witch hunt to politically wound him.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: defundthegestapo; fbi; ramaswamy; vivek; vivekramaswamy
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1 posted on 05/01/2023 9:05:45 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have known (and still know) many fine FBI Special Agents.

They are NOT the problem.

Their politicized and weaponized overlords....different story.

My drinking buds stay under the radar and stay out of the politics.

Cheers!


2 posted on 05/01/2023 9:09:46 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trintarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman
I have known (and still know) many fine FBI Special Agents. They are NOT the problem. Their politicized and weaponized overlords....different story.

It was Obama who weaponized the FBI by careful selection of who got promoted and who got transferred to the DC office.

3 posted on 05/01/2023 9:13:07 PM PDT by Robwin ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

I like this guy more and more everyday.


4 posted on 05/01/2023 9:13:11 PM PDT by Right Brother (Democrats are 💩)
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To: Robwin

My buds are in field offices....not in DC!


5 posted on 05/01/2023 9:14:13 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trintarian. Deal with it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Leftists manage to get Trump locked in jail, I expect this guy to be the nominee, at least if they don’t ‘find’ porn on his computer or whatever they need to do to stop him.


6 posted on 05/01/2023 9:23:13 PM PDT by BobL
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To: SeekAndFind
Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said he would attempt to shut down the FBI and replace it with another entity if he’s elected president.

I don't disagree - but how do you prevent the corruption of the new entity?
7 posted on 05/01/2023 9:26:05 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SeekAndFind
“I didn’t say defund the FBI. I said shut down the FBI and replace it with something new,” said Ramaswamy on Sunday. “I think it’s a new apparatus built from scratch that actually respects the law instead of making it up.”

Very impractical.

A new agency would eventually become what the current one is. That was sort of the idea behind the creation of the Department of Homeland Security -- a boondoggle.


8 posted on 05/01/2023 9:51:29 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: lightman

Your fine friends will be welcomed to the new replacement. The likes of Wray will not

“I didn’t say defund the FBI. I said shut down the FBI and replace it with something new,” said Ramaswamy on Sunday. “I think it’s a new apparatus built from scratch that actually respects the law instead of making it up.”


9 posted on 05/01/2023 9:54:39 PM PDT by map
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s say he were to win, and were to attempt what he says here. As soon as the FBI were shutdown, a wave of high profile attacks would occur across the nation, and Comey and friends would then show up on TV and claim to “know about the perps” in all of them. “They were on the FBI radar before the inept president shut it down”. Followed by demands for impeachment.


10 posted on 05/01/2023 9:57:50 PM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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To: map

+1

I drink with Patriots.


11 posted on 05/01/2023 10:09:07 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trintarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Robwin

Clinton weaponized the FBI. Janet Reno weaponized the Justice Department like no other AG before.


12 posted on 05/01/2023 11:21:07 PM PDT by DMD13
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To: SeekAndFind

I really like this guy. He’s a genius.


13 posted on 05/02/2023 12:03:59 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: Trump_Triumphant

He is only saying what all patriots are thinking.


14 posted on 05/02/2023 2:03:23 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her legs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abolish the FIB. It was created by an executive order, it can be abolished by one.

It is a hopelessly corrupt organization the American people can no longer have any trust or confidence in. I’d love to see President Trump issue an executive order abolishing it on day one of his second administration.

Then it will be time to clean out the CIA with a flamethrower.

Oh NSA.....remember all those wokesters you hired from Sillicon Valley in the last year? Yeah. Well they’re all terminated as of this minute.

Pentagon......call from the president on line one.......


15 posted on 05/02/2023 2:43:19 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
how do you prevent the corruption of the new entity?

By decentralizing it.

I'm reposting my FBI screed:


The solution to this is to dismantle the FBI as we know it today and replace it with a decentralized investigative body organized by the states.

I'm reposting my idea from March 5, 2018 (reformatted for easier reading):


As I was reading this article (As D.C. Corruption Mounts, Here’s How The American People Can Get Justice), I was beginning to think of a solution that was close to where the author ended up.

What if the FBI were disbanded as a federal agency, and replaced by a different organization that was populated by the states themselves?

  1. Each state would delegate a number of investigators to serve at the pleasure of their home state, and this body would become a decentralized federal investigative bureau, managed by the states.
  2. As is with the militia, the Constitution provides for calling up the militias for national service, but the officers are selected by the states.
    • It isn't a stretch to declare that state militias have investigators as a component of a military police, perhaps made up of local police department detectives who are also in the state national guard reserves.
    • Use the militia clause in the Constitution to call up the state militias' investigative arms for federal service, with state appointed officers.
    • Each state can create a branch of their militia as MPs, or detectives. These people would report to militia officers appointed within each state, and then these militia branches (officers and detectives) would be called up at the request the Commander-In-Chief and approval by Congress (Article I Section 8: "to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions,") to serve a national priority such as investigating a particular federal crime, under the authority of state officers, not federal bureaucrats.
    • The state officers will report directly to the Commander-In-Chief (Article II Section II: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States").
  3. Once the investigation is complete, the investigating team is released back to the states.
    • If a crime occurred in one state, then the militia police from another state can be called up to investigate.
    • Several investigations across several states can operate in parallel, if needed.

Root cause analyses looks for systemic causes of failures, not behavioral causes.

  1. Part of that review is identifying the protective systems that were in place to prevent what happened from happening, and to brainstorm additional protective systems to catch whatever still slipped through.
  2. Management enforcement of process compliance with consequences for failure to comply is a protective system.
    • Lax management enforcement of process compliance might be a systemic cause if the fix were to reinforce the importance of process compliance and put consequences on management for lack of process discipline.
    • However, in the recent examples of FBI failure, management was not lax in oversight, they were also complicit actors in avoiding the process. This is still behavioral, so the systemic root cause is not yet found.
    • I'm going to suggest that the systemic root cause of the recent FBI disfunction is the "independent" nature of the FBI itself.
      • This was magnified by the behavioral causes that top management felt they were unaccountable to anyone;
      • that a single ideological mindset became established through years of political appointments that controlled the hiring practices of lower-level staff;
      • that using management reinforcement to correct the root cause was ineffective given that management was a part of the problem, if not leading the effort.
  3. Therefore, we must look to other protective systems for corrections.
    • One protective system is the Inspector General. While this seems to be working now, in hindsight it doesn't seem to have been effective at the time the actions were taking place.
      • When the bad actors are the top management itself in a department, an IG is too easily bypassed. Therefore, a new protective system must be put in place.
  4. My proposed corrective system is to replace a federal-centric FBI with a state-centric investigative agency.
    • This agency would have distributed leadership, since by following the militia model in the Constitution, the "officers" would be selected by the states and would be subject to recall at the whim of the home state.
    • A single monolithic mindset cannot become entrenched, since concerned states can replace their officers at any time.
    • I suggested attaching this investigative militia to the Commander-In-Chief directly on a case-by-case basis, with some provision for a senior officer hierarchy to manage separate state contingents.
    • Since Congress has the authority to call up the militia, but the President is the Commander-In-Chief of the militia, there is a check-and-balance already in place.
      • If a state investigative team finds evidence of a crime, the President can refer charges to the Department of Justice for further prosecutorial action.
      • There would be no need for a Special Prosecutor, as the investigative arm of the called up militia units can do this.
      • The Department of Justice can aid the investigations with grand juries, and criminal referrals would be passed along to the Department of Justice for action.
    • The President can then release the militia units back to the states, preventing a runaway special prosecutor from expanding the scope of the investigation.
    • "Process crimes," such as lying to the FBI, would go away as an especially nefarious tool of an over-zealous prosecutor.

A decentralized national investigative structure, overseen by the states but controlled by the commander-in-chief on a case-by-case basis, may be the best way to restore confidence that such an agency is not corrupted by national party bloc interests.

The idea is that investigators in one state would be called up to investigate a crime committed in another state. This can be done now without any constitutional amendments with my plan. This state decentralization would stop the politicization of using the FBI as a weapon of the Democrats.

-PJ

16 posted on 05/02/2023 3:19:08 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Right Brother

I like him too, but unless his parents were American citizens when he was born here, then he is not qualified to be POTUS.

This mean Nimrod Haley is NOT qualified, neither is Cameltoe Harris. They are both anchor babies (therefor not even American citizens) and should be deported back to India. /spit


17 posted on 05/02/2023 3:54:20 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: lightman

When it comes to power like the FBI, a quote from Thomas Paine’s Common Sense seem appropriate.

“HOW CAME THE KING BY A POWER WHICH THE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO TRUST, AND ALWAYS OBLIGED TO CHECK? Such a power could not be the gift of a wise people...”

To paraphrase the rest of his line of thought: Even though politicians (may) limit that power structure, the power structure will still be weighted in the Deep State’s favor.

As long as legislation does not stop the unelected from pursuing their own ends, what limits that are placed will only slow the degradation, not stop it.

What the Deep State wants in speed will be supplied in time.

People inside the FBI, might be decent men, but that power structure cannot exist anymore.


18 posted on 05/02/2023 3:57:46 AM PDT by VetoBill
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To: Political Junkie Too
--- "a decentralized investigative body organized by the states"

The 2009 Nobel for Economics went to a team who showed in part that decision making was best done at a local level. Whether in the economy, the culture or the law, local decisions by local entities "nearest" the people would be quite efficient at defanging the DC cabal.

19 posted on 05/02/2023 4:17:19 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

I think, but am not sure, his parents were born in the USA.

Unlike Nikki’s parents. She’s clueless about America.


20 posted on 05/02/2023 4:36:09 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Worrying doesn't take away tomorrow's troubles. It takes away today's peace.)
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