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California takes aim at freight train emissions, bans non-electric train engines
FOX NEWS ^ | April 28, 2023 | By Thomas Catenacci

Posted on 04/28/2023 4:58:40 PM PDT by artichokegrower

California is taking action to curb locomotive emissions operating within its borders as part of the state's sweeping climate agenda.

On Thursday, the California Air Resource Board (CARB), a state agency tasked with protecting air quality and reducing harmful pollution, announced that it would pursue aggressive regulations to limit freight train emissions. The so-called In-Use Locomotive Regulation makes California the first state to tackle freight train emissions which represent just 0.5% of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, according to federal data.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; donate2freerepublic; donatedesantis; donatedonaldtrump; donatetrump; freight; globalwarminghoax; nutcasesincharge; rail; shipping; train
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To: artichokegrower

How are you going to get goods over the mountain passes? I assume you’d have to run overhead cable for thousands of miles.


21 posted on 04/28/2023 5:43:40 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (away.)
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To: noiseman

“Would someone please tell the morons running California that diesel locomotives ARE electric? The only difference between those and what they envision as a replacement is the distance between the power plant and the electric drive motors. “

Sir, you have just exceeded the nonexistent cognitive capabilities of the standard California DemocRAT. For shame. Next time, talk things they claim to understand, like inclusivity, equality, and racism. (Yes, unfortunately, they don’t know s*** about those subjects either, but hey, you’re dealing with the left.)


22 posted on 04/28/2023 5:43:41 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: reg45

The late great Buddy Miles will not be able to save them with his California Raisins songs and group.
While in maximum security prison for Grand Theft Auto he assembled imprisoned musicians to form a rock band and then got the contract for the cereal commercials which were hits.
He didn’t put the band back together because he originated the group.

Here is his song “Texas” with The Electric Flag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxr1WZ80YM

In 1978 Miles was arrested and jailed for grand theft auto and for stealing from a clothing store in Hollywood, California. He served seven years in prison, first at the California Institution for Men at Chino and then at San Quentin State Prison, and formed bands in both institutions, performing for groups of inmates.From Encyclopedia.com


23 posted on 04/28/2023 5:47:36 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: Leaning Right

Great picture.
I had a bad case of rheumatic fever in 2nd grade and spent a lot of time with my new train set (1954 was one of the two peak years for Lionel). Helped get me through being stuck on my back with nothing good to do.


24 posted on 04/28/2023 5:50:06 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: frank ballenger; artichokegrower
Casey Jones--Billy Murray & the American Quartet (1910)

Murray & Co. got many details of the story wrong--as often happens in folk ballads--and the song concludes with a bad Mormon joke. Nonetheless, it reached #1 and was the year's bestselling song.

25 posted on 04/28/2023 5:57:25 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Leaning Right

In my younger days I spent considerable time working with all-electric trains.


I was getting ready to post exactly the same thing. But in 1950s SoCal we didn’t have brownouts or blackouts so the trains were reliable.


26 posted on 04/28/2023 6:02:29 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Fiji Hill

Freight Train Boogie

Doc Watson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hPcO4pYxlo


27 posted on 04/28/2023 6:06:35 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: Leaning Right
Athearn HO gauge was the way to go for model trains.
Stylish & tough, yet affordable.


28 posted on 04/28/2023 6:11:09 PM PDT by GaltAdonis
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To: noiseman

Correct.

The last diesel-hydraulic locomotives in the US were operated by the Southern Pacific and Denver & Rio Grande Western. Not very good on steep grades, IINM.


29 posted on 04/28/2023 6:28:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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... California Air Resource Board (CARB) ...
Talk about having a bizarre and morbid sense of humor.
30 posted on 04/28/2023 6:30:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: artichokegrower

Leftists are doing everything they can to destroy the US.


31 posted on 04/28/2023 6:36:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I had someone on here tell me that air freight was competitive with rail.

I asked him what the tons/mile efficiency of air freight was, and he couldn’t answer. He was completely beholden to the speed of air freight.

I then informed him that rail freight’s efficiency is in the neighborhood of over 300 miles per ton for one gallon of diesel.

NOTHING (practical) has lower rolling resistance than steel on steel.


32 posted on 04/28/2023 6:39:36 PM PDT by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn)
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To: Tell It Right
New Yorkers will freeze because natural gas is being banned and the electric heaters they’ll have on order will be stuck on electric trains in California during brownouts.

As the saying goes, there's a silver lining in every cloud.

33 posted on 04/28/2023 6:41:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Woke is a cancer of the mind and humanity)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Where does CA think all this electricity is going come from?

Same place the money they're spending and want to spend comes from....

34 posted on 04/28/2023 6:44:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: artichokegrower

Good for them. Preventing ships to enter their ports will be the next step.


35 posted on 04/28/2023 6:48:00 PM PDT by sport
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To: artichokegrower

That’s a great tune!


36 posted on 04/28/2023 6:48:54 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Don W
I then informed him that rail freight’s efficiency is in the neighborhood of over 300 miles per ton for one gallon of diesel.

Correct. Building further on the electricity side of efficiency, diesel locomotives power electric motors. There is no degradation of efficiency over transmission lines when a diesel locomotive is used. There is no cost associated of electrical infrastructure either. There is less maintenance and less to go wrong. I’m not sure about the cost of electricity transmission vs. diesel distribution, but the pipeline and storage infrastructure already exists for diesel whereas new infrastructure would need to built for electric trains. California can’t build high speed rail on budget, which leads me to believe that any new project is doomed to failure with massive cost overruns.

37 posted on 04/28/2023 7:16:03 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked. "Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly." )
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To: artichokegrower
Every day, in every way, my theory that all democrats are the way they are because Gaia short changed their brain housing groups. That you can't understand or accept what they take as Gospel if you have an IQ greater than the Mean.

They are just too effin' stupid. Dunning-Kruger is correct.

38 posted on 04/28/2023 7:17:05 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: artichokegrower

Isn’t there an interstate commerce clause somewhere?


39 posted on 04/28/2023 7:19:28 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: frank ballenger

....electrified rail is currently used on less than 1 percent of U.S. railroad tracks....
(Many of those are in Northeast US commuter train systems.)

Okay, California will not get much of anything by rail, meaning a large portion of the country’s goods and supplies will not go there.>>> I’m sure they are not including HO, N and lionel trains.


40 posted on 04/28/2023 7:21:31 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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