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Popular handgun fires without anyone pulling the trigger, victims say
WaPo via SFGate ^ | 4/11/2023 | By Champe Barton and Tom Jackman

Posted on 04/11/2023 1:21:01 PM PDT by NohSpinZone

One warm afternoon in May, Dwight Jackson was getting dressed for a visit to his favorite cigar lounge. He slipped his holstered SIG Sauer P320 pistol onto his belt, put on a button-down shirt and leaned across his bed for his wallet. Suddenly, he said, the gun fired, sending a bullet tearing through his right buttock and into his left ankle.

"I heard 'bang!'" said Jackson, 47, a locomotive engineer who lives in Locust Grove, Ga. "I looked down and saw blood."

His wife heard the shot from down the hall and screamed. She called an ambulance while Jackson hobbled toward the front door, painting a trail of blood over the hardwood floors.

The P320 is one of the nation's most popular handguns. A variant of the weapon is the standard-issue sidearm for every branch of the U.S. military. Since its introduction to the commercial market in 2014, manufacturer SIG Sauer has sold the P320 to hundreds of thousands of civilians, and the gun has been used by officers at more than a thousand law enforcement agencies across the nation, court records show.

It has also gruesomely injured scores of people who say the gun has a potentially deadly defect.

More than 100 people allege that their P320 pistols discharged when they did not pull the trigger, an eight-month investigation by The Washington Post and The Trace has found. At least 80 people were wounded in the shootings, which date to 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; handgun; shooting; sigsauer; trigger
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To: fso301

That must be why my 1911 Colt has a lever on the back of the grip that has to be pushed in along with the trigger to fire.


101 posted on 04/12/2023 5:47:10 AM PDT by Dandy (Drain the swamp baby!!!)
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To: jdege

It had a very minor drop problem, long fixed. People have been shooting themselves and blaming the gun since the days of muskets.


102 posted on 04/12/2023 7:00:37 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: fwdude

There are indeed documented incidents with this gun firing on its own, SIG blames it on defective firing pin spring...

I would not trust this gun, between the drop firing issue and this issue, this is not a weapon I would own.

https://youtu.be/Z8XdXpZ2lEY


103 posted on 04/12/2023 7:08:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: RetiredTexasVet

https://youtu.be/Z8XdXpZ2lEY

There are more documented incidents of this model of gun self firing... Above and beyond the drop firing problem it has had.

I personally would not own this gun


104 posted on 04/12/2023 7:09:41 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: All
My every day concealed carry.


105 posted on 04/12/2023 7:15:33 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Not my fault, yer Honor. I went to the Alec Baldwin School of Firearms Handling. )
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To: Mr Rogers
Lawsuit: Semi-automatic police service gun goes off by itself, nearly killing detective
But what Hilton said she also didn't realize at first was that the bullet had come from her own service gun, a semi-automatic pistol called the P320. It was still holstered inside her purse, according to the police report.
That's either a failure of the holster or the pistol.
106 posted on 04/12/2023 7:36:47 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Boogieman

People have tested that. It doesn’t work. Your finger gets shredded. You can find videos of it on you tube.


107 posted on 04/12/2023 8:29:31 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Delta 21
You dont own any revolvers?!

Well, yeah. I wasn't thinking of them. I have two my momma used to carry.

108 posted on 04/12/2023 8:29:40 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Flaming Conservative

Don’t own a striker fired pistol. I prefer the DA/SA autoloaders. Safe as a revolver.


109 posted on 04/12/2023 8:33:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: jdege

Only if she is telling the truth. AND if the holster fully covered the trigger, and didn’t have anything inside it, and the gun really WAS holstered, etc.

Honestly? Someone carrying a gun INSIDE HER PURSE is dangerous! Ever look in a woman’s purse?

I dislike a lot of modern CCW guns. I like a double action pull of 8-12 pounds on a gun and dislike strikers. People ought to buy a gun that matches how they will carry it. I remain fond of J-frames and often carry one with an exposed hammer. But...I don’t believe the P320 is just shooting itself. The Alec Baldwin theory doesn’t work for me.


110 posted on 04/12/2023 8:34:23 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: HamiltonJay

https://www.minutemanreview.com/sig-p320-safety/

Perspective from both sides of the issue:

“Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. For instance there’s Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was “performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.”

Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when it’s pointed at an extremity?

And then there’s Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its own “when he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.”

Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? Would you?

There’s also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired “as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.”

First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesn’t exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. Second, pardon us if we’re more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question — or any other handgun — fired when it was out of battery.

Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to “un-commanded discharges.”...

...Then there’s the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldn’t find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own.”

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/about-those-sig-p320-lawsuits/


111 posted on 04/12/2023 8:48:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: jdege

“The Sig P320 cannot fire without the trigger being pressed unless this failure happens first”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZASNyzdEgx8

PS: I don’t own any Sigs.


112 posted on 04/12/2023 8:55:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’m wondering what sort of holster she was using.

I can easily see an Uncle Mike’s letting something in to tangle with the trigger.


113 posted on 04/12/2023 10:08:28 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Mr Rogers

While you can argue the intelligence of doing anything with a gun pointed at you, this doesn’t change the fact this model of gun has several documented cases where it has discharged without a trigger pull or even a hand near the trigger.

That doesn’t even get into the fact this model of gun would fire when dropped.

I would not own this gun, if you choose to that is certainly up to you. But any firearm that has confirmed documented cases where it has fired without the trigger being touched, as this gun has (and this isn’t related to the drop fire problem this model has, and the manufacturer originally denied as well, until a few you tube videos appeared showing that indeed if it fell at a particular angle it would discharge very time), it is not a gun I want to own.

You are welcome to own it if you choose to, but I will not.


114 posted on 04/12/2023 11:20:37 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: CMSMC
John Browning’s design of 113 years ago is still good enough for me.

Amen! My 1911 in Condition 1 never went off by itself.

115 posted on 04/12/2023 11:27:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: HamiltonJay

“But any firearm that has confirmed documented cases where it has fired without the trigger being touched...”

An accusation by someone filing a claim is NOT “documented”. And I don’t own ANY Sigs. I can afford a Ruger, not a Sig.


116 posted on 04/12/2023 12:46:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Dandy
That must be why my 1911 Colt has a lever on the back of the grip that has to be pushed in along with the trigger to fire.

Exactly!!

117 posted on 04/12/2023 2:43:04 PM PDT by fso301
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To: gitmo

It’s very common today for popular semi-autos to have no separate safety. Most just have a “safe action”.


118 posted on 04/12/2023 2:45:16 PM PDT by ltc8k6 ( .)
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To: Seruzawa

Yeah, I’m not going to put sarc tag on a post that is blatantly comedic.


119 posted on 04/12/2023 4:33:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

You might be surprised how many people believe that shyt.


120 posted on 04/12/2023 9:19:30 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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