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To: Robert DeLong; Republican Wildcat
Robert DeLong: "I think you are being extremely optimistic.
Unless you can provide proof, it still looks to me as if Russia has the upper hand, even with American & N.A.T.O. involvement."

Russia certainly had the "upper hand" in February 2022, when they again invaded Ukraine.
And with that upper hand they roughly doubled the amount of Ukrainian territory controlled by Russia.
But they did not succeed in conquering Ukraine and in time were thrown out of Kiev, Kharkiv and Kherson or about half of the newly conquered territories.

And so things have stood since October, 2022, with only very minor changes in battle lines.
First, we were told to expect a Winter Offensive by both sides, then they said winter was too short for a real offensive so expect now a Spring Offensive when the ground hardens again.

In the meantime, both sides are enlisting allies wherever they can, in Russia's case, notably China.
Western nations are increasing thour support for Ukraine, sending ever higher technologies requiring more specialized training.

How all this will play out, nobody knows, but I would not automatically assume Ukraine's defeat.

Robert DeLong: "I think American weakness is very real, as well as, deeply compromised.
We are currently 31.633 trillion dollars in debt.
At the end of 2022 the debt was $30,824 billion (30.8 trillion) & 123% of DEBT-TO-GDP ratio. Which means we have added almost another trillion.
Debt Clock - US National Debt by Year"

I agree the national debt could be a huge problem, and it has already driven up inflation rates to historically high levels.
And with the Fed raising interest rates, we could be facing recession too.

On the other hand, all of these are deliberate political choices by our Democrat administration, and so quickly reversed and soon enough corrected by determined Republican leadership, hopefully beginning in 2025.
As of today the US and our allies are far from defeated or helpless.

Robert DeLong: "In addition, Biden is hollowing out the military with "vaccine" mandates, of those refusing to take the "vaccine".
They claim that they have lost no military personnel due to the mRNA rollout, by adverse events or deaths."

It is sadly true that Democrats, by their nature, deeply corrupt and eventually destroy whatever they can touch, with prime examples being our law enforcement in big cities and in Washington, DC.
The military is no exception and we are now in grave danger.
But that danger is not a function of our support for Ukraine, nor can it ever be corrected by Democrats.
Only Republicans can and will make it right again.

Robert DeLong: "Though of course the way you state it; no possibility Russia will ever impose its tyranny over free Ukrainians,has a ring of truth to it.
If they are free, then Russia was defeated.
I still see no evidence that the final outcome will be Russia being defeated, and thus free of Russian tyranny.
Either way, China comes out on top."

Vlad the Invader was thrown out of Kiev, Kharkiv and Kherson but still controls more Ukrainian territory than he did in January 2022.
What will happen in the coming months is anybody's guess.

For sure, China will benefit the most, but that choice was Putin's, to make war against Europe and ally with China.
I don't think there was any way, short of our abject surrender to Vlad the Invader, for us to prevent it.

Robert DeLong: "What about the tyranny of this country, which I see creeping further & further into becoming the reality.
Our defeating Russia, would only cement that reality of tyranny controlling this nation.
This conflict is a distraction designed to engage the attention of people away from what is happening to our country.
Do you not see that?"

I'm sorry, but life is tough, and we must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Democrats' victories at the ballot boxes have nothing to with Ukraine's success or failure on the battlefield.
We don't get our Free Republic back if Ukraine loses and we don't lose to Democrat tyranny if Ukraine wins.
They are unrelated.

Our President, Donald Trump, has said that defeating Democrats at the ballot box will require Republicans learn to play the Democrats' own games better than Democrats do.
And in some states we do this already -- Florida and Texas come to mind. But in battleground states we need a new plan and perhaps new leadership to execute it.

Robert DeLong: "Why would they be concerned about Ukraine's sovereignty, & the integrity of their borders, while they could careless about ours?
Now, if you can show me how you can square that circle with a straight face, then I'll concede my argument to be lost."

I promise, there's no smile on my face.
Our Democrats are not "careless" about our border security, rather, they've opened up our borders deliberately in order to import millions of new Democrat voters and permanently shift the political balance of power in their favor.
It will not stop until we somehow elect new leadership.

None of this has anything to do with Ukraine.

164 posted on 03/23/2023 7:12:42 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

All true and I pushed the FR like button too!


174 posted on 03/24/2023 3:10:53 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: BroJoeK
But they did not succeed in conquering Ukraine and in time were thrown out of Kiev, Kharkiv and Kherson or about half of the newly conquered territories.

What makes you think Putin was trying to conquer Ukraine? Putin even said himself that he was sure that western Ukraine would be much happier under Polish control. Their only interest in (Kiev - interesting that you use the Russian spelling instead of the preferred Ukrainian spelling of Kyiv) may have been to capture Zelenskyy. But you used the phrase conquering Ukraine, because that is the propaganda you have been fed, that Russia's intention is to conquer & reconstitute the Soviet Union. That will never be possible as long as we are strong. You know peace through strength.

But you are working to destroy our strength, you just do not see that, because you do not believe we will ever be anything but strong. Well, Ukraine keeps demanding more & more, and they keep using up what they are given, at record speed. They are now asking for 600,000 shells per month. The EU nations, the U.S., as well as, NATO are having to dip into their stockpiles to provide for Ukraine's needs. It not like any of the entities, I mentioned, can put in orders for millions and have them magically produced in short notice, even if we were in terrific economic health. That will put more burdens on the economies of all entities mentioned, of which the majority will be saddled upon the U.S. taxpayers. But you seem to have little to no grasp upon reality, and are instead engrossed in fantasies, and your responses confirm that claim I'm making.

I agree the national debt could be a huge problem, and it has already driven up inflation rates to historically high levels.

And with the Fed raising interest rates, we could be facing recession too.

See those statements also confirm that your grasp upon reality is just not there.

Consumerism was put on hold for the "plandemic". As, the consumerism ticked up after the foolish suppression of economic stability and extreme spending by the government to compensate, was eased in a somewhat return to normal, the election theft changed everything.

Not only did it remove a strong leader, replacing hm with a weak leader. It put in place a leadership that is either inept or by design is destroying this nation. With the policies that they removed & replaced with bad policies, the march towards destruction began.

Typically to slow down an economy, the remedy is to raise interest rates, but because of the national debt, along with inflation, it is causing pain. Not only for this administration, but for the Fed also. Without raising interest rates, then the economy stays heated and inflation becomes even more pronounced.

But now with failing banks, they will be bailing out the rich, while the poor & middle-classes are once again being given the bill. To meet those obligations more dollars will need be printed weaking the dollar further still.

We are already in a recession, and the national debt is a huge problem because it limits what can be done to rein in the inflation. It will only continue to get worse, with our providing Ukraine money, ammo, weapons, and equipment. It increases our national debt more. Printing more dollars fuels higher inflation, along with the frequency that inflation increases.

It is sadly true that Democrats, by their nature, deeply corrupt and eventually destroy whatever they can touch, with prime examples being our law enforcement in big cities and in Washington, DC.

Again, you miss the mark, because the problem with corruption is present on both sides of the aisle. The difference is that the numbers of Democrats not participating in corruption, is smaller than it is on the Republican side. By how much is anybody's guess.

Again, they have been identified as the Uniparty. They are real, and they are very corrupt.

The military is no exception and we are now in grave danger. But that danger is not a function of our support for Ukraine, nor can it ever be corrected by Democrats. Only Republicans can and will make it right again.

By supporting the conflict in Ukraine with money, ammo, weapons, & equipment, is absolutely weakening the military, along with the country, financially, as well as, diverting funds to deal with our crumbling infrastructure.

In turn your support for Ukraine is tacitly providing support for this administration, as well as the corruption of the Uniparty actors. Your seemingly inability to connect these dots is dumbfounding, not to mention frustrating, to the people who are trying to help you all see those connections.

The majority want to label us as traitors etcetera etcetera etcetera. That frustration makes as retaliate with calling you useful ignorant idiots. I'm trying very hard to keep this conversation civil, because we share far more views then we have disagreements on.

But this is a major one we disagree on, and you all need to wake up, and start thinking with your brains instead of reacting with your hearts, because you are not doing the world any good whatsoever, by basing your actions upon emotions. Emotions only tend to exacerbate problems, not fix them.

Vlad the Invader was thrown out of Kiev, Kharkiv and Kherson but still controls more Ukrainian territory than he did in January 2022. What will happen in the coming months is anybody's guess. For sure, China will benefit the most, but that choice was Putin's, to make war against Europe and ally with China. I don't think there was any way, short of our abject surrender to Vlad the Invader, for us to prevent it.

Again these childish names that you give Putin, are just that, childish. But then again it illustrates that you are not thinking like adults.

Beyond that though, you misinterpret why they may have willing backed out of those regions, and instead credit the abilities of Ukraine. Without assistance Ukraine would not have repelled them, in my opinion.

You are also operating on the assumption that Putin is acting in a vacuum, that there were no extenuating circumstances for his actions, and you do so because you refuse to look at the evidence that clearly shows that he was forced to act for the security of Russia.

Putin wanted Russia to become a part of NATO, and then there would be no reason to fear Russia, because by extension Russia becomes part of the EU.

But the U.S. rejected that because that would in essence mean that NATO would have no purpose whatsoever to exist. which in turn means that the U.S. would lose its hegemony that keeps Europe as a vassal state of the US.

The U.S. also chose to threaten Russia's security by breaking the promise they made to Russia to not expand NATO. In addition, they schemed to place Putin in a box where they would become involved in a proxy war With the U.S., NATO, and European allies in Ukraine, by not getting involved in providing solutions to the hostilities in eastern Ukraine that had been ongoing for 8 years.

So, what choice did Putin have but to look to China? I'm sure Russia didn't want to join China, because Russia doesn't trust China anymore than they trust us. In fact, they probably trust China even less.

177 posted on 03/24/2023 7:58:47 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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