Posted on 03/06/2023 11:44:06 AM PST by marcusmaximus
I have said repeatedly in this thread that hundreds of thousands of people have been killed in this awful and stupid conflict and that I have no doubt that atrocities have and are taking place. I have shared my first and visceral reaction after watching it. I have plenty of experience with guns and AKs and own many. I also have a great deal of first hand experience with gunshot wounds close up and personal... I have gotten myself all bloodied up trying to save people on numerous occasions, still have bad dreams on occasion. Videos that I posted many years ago on Youtube of shooting and working on guns have over half a million views and used to bring in little bit of money for my efforts.
The name calling shows the level of your maturity and thought process. It is amusing to me that you fat old arm chair warriors are investing so much energy into a hoax video this morning. The first clue that this one is faked is that it looks like a clip from a Hollywood production minus the sound track. I am not going to bother going further into it because it is not worth the effort and it is throwing cold water on something that you and others are getting your jollies from no doubt watching over and over, frame by frame and close up. It is pathetic and I am ashamed of you.
Links please.
Still, you can't deny that he's received a hero's welcome along with "The Ghost of Kiow" in the afterlife.
Yeah talks cheap Pootie Boy. You never were in combat obviously, never saw what an AK on full auto does. Just a bunch of domestic stuff according to your words.
Eat your borscht.
Thank you for the link... It is amazing to me that so many here see what is an obvious piece of propaganda and buy into it 100% immediately and viciously attack anyone who questions its veracity. These people are putty in the hands of those who manipulate others. Most of them are old enough that they should know better but can't seem to help themselves.
There is no real context provided with this video; it looks faked to me... I knew sharing my observation would subject me to a lot of name calling. But that illustrates the level of sophistication of those who are easily manipulated. Some of them have real world experience. Unfortunately, it is obvious that nothing that they write after falling for this kind of crap can be taken seriously on any subject despite their prior experience. It all reminds me vaguely of the 1987 movie, The Running Man where Schwarzenegger was convicted using doctored video. Only these days faking videos can be done by 3rd graders.
When a kid is 5 and he can't tell the difference between what is real and what is imaginary... it is cute. When you have a bunch of people 40 and beyond who believe any faked piece of video that they are shown... it is absolutely pathetic.
The Russians were shooting this guy over and over last week in Ukraine with AKs. You can see the blood splattering out of him. It is real I tell you!
You have made my morning.
Your mental condition is deteriorating fast.
You are just so amazing - that you cannot tell real from fake. Congratulations.
Your post:
3/1/2023, 8:16:23 AM · 24 of 42 fireman15 to canuck_conservative; Canuck, you foul mouthed moron...
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
You never served. You have not seen combat. You talk sh1t.
Hope your bike shorts are not either. A German but-thole on on the autobahn is well... unappealing.
To whom are you addressing your post? Very confusing.
My apologies for any confusion. I understand it to be a courtesy to CC any party who is mentioned or related to a post. I was responding to ‘fireman’ who had made derogatory comments to you about levels of maturity, standards which he himself doesnt seem to live up to.
First, I thank you for your service. I come from a military family. We have a lot more in common than you realize especially when it comes to aviation. And if you look up his posting history... canuck_conservative is a foul mouthed name calling moron. I usually do refrain from responding to his provocations as I have to those in this thread, but sometimes it is necessary to call a spade a spade.
But the thread is about another Ukraine hoax video that you and others have fallen for. There is a myriad of reasons that I could list, but 5 seconds in, before the guy was supposedly shot, it was easy to tell that this was just another hoax like nearly all the rest.
There really is no need for the insults and they don't make the arguments for your blind faith in this video any more convincing. I don't deny that there are atrocities taking place as there are in all wars especially when civilians are drafted into service for conflicts that they have no desire to be involved in.
This is not to discount your experiences in the Middle East, as I have close relatives and many friends who have done multiple tours in various god forsaken places. Unfortunately, none of your experiences as a naval aviator participating in mano a mano dog fights against Iraqi aces and then landing on a pitching and rolling flat top give you any more insight than anyone else into the veracity of this video.
The hundreds of civilians executed by Russia in the first 6 weeks alone as evidenced by the UN investigators...Ukrainian bodies found tied, gagged, shot in the head, all fake...
Pretty soon you dont need a forensic expert to examine every frame of a video to tell you that something is real or fake. The preponderance of death brought on by savages (not honorable soldiers) becomes clear. And your shaming of others for saying so is the pity of this.
How many times do I need to repeat that I agree that atrocities have taken place and will continue to take place until this conflict has been ended??? But there are “savages” on both sides. And this type of faked video promotes more savagery on both sides. You are the one who denies any incident that does not fit your preferred narrative.
This resembles internal and civil war type of conflicts which historically have the produced the worst atrocities. I hope that the source of this video is investigated, but in the current climate the chances that we will get some sort of truthful explanation are about zero. So, I am going to have to go with my gut level instinct that this is just another fake.
It has turned into a cry wolf type of situation from the Western Media who have been given a free pass to produce anything that promotes the West’s objectives. I understand the motivation, but when it goes on and on... it starts to get tiresome especially when it is used as justification to continue this madness and throw hundreds of $Billions of down a rat hole with no accountability. Not to mention that it makes good patriotic people such as yourself look foolish.
Thank you. Sometimes all of this stuff gets confusing - so many posts, so many comments.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.html
It is sickening! Just as the Mai Lai Massacre in Vietnam was. And let’s not forget Thanh Phong. And the one in charge of that disgusting violation of international law was later elected to the United States Senate... Senator Bob Kerry.
The Mai Lai Massacre was proscecuted, because we dont condone that.
You admit to Mai Lai, but this execution is fake? You agree that atrocities happen, but THIS ONE is fake! You are twisted in pretzel logic.
If this was an actual execution which I doubt... it was more likely staged by the Ukrainians and their Western Intelligence agency helpers to look like a Russian atrocity. Anyone wanting to document such an event would have included more corroborative scenery along with video of the Russians involved. Neither you with your vast combat history landing on aircraft carriers nor I with my hands on experience with recent gunshot wounds would likely be able to tell the difference without this corroborative info if misinformation specialists had a hand in this. The trail of who allegedly took the video and how it made it into the hands of the media could be helpful, but this is all through subterfuge and by definition hard to follow.
I am going with my gut instinct on this one... it resembles others which were faked. If you feel differently that is your business. There is certainly no pretzel logic. I admit to atrocities by the Russians in Ukraine, but the Ukrainians have performed more than their fair share as well, mostly against Russian speakers in Ukraine going back for years.
I do have the advantage over you of living in a community with a large amount of both Russians and Ukrainians and knowing some for many years. They are almost indistinguishable from one another to people who are not familiar with them. I am not going to bother any of my acquaintances with this disgusting video but in the past they have been able to distinguish the fakes quite easily.
Ty
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