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Hammer blow for Vladimir Putin as Ukraine to get 200 tanks from West
The Telegraph ^ | January 24, 2023 | Nick Allen, Joe Barnes, Roland Oliphant

Posted on 01/24/2023 4:14:57 PM PST by familyop

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To: familyop

More blows of Zelensky by the Brit propaganda outlets.


101 posted on 01/24/2023 5:33:14 PM PST by rfp1234 (E Porcibus Unum )
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To: buwaya

You sir win a chicken dinner!


102 posted on 01/24/2023 5:33:27 PM PST by Kahuna
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To: JonPreston

Lol you have no idea, believe me Russians don’t want to go up against Poles, but make your joke. Russia can’t handle the Ukrainians and you make fun of Poles. Trained with them, suggest you say that their faces. I want to be there


103 posted on 01/24/2023 5:33:37 PM PST by blitz128
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To: TonyinLA

“Low” estimates from who?
All the other stuff? Drugs?

All of this about casualties is simply Russian propaganda. There is no real data to be had.

The Ukrainian official estimates of Russian casualties is also propaganda btw. Neither side is in a position to make accurate estimates of the other sides losses. And if they were, they would inflate them.


104 posted on 01/24/2023 5:35:05 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: blitz128

🤡


105 posted on 01/24/2023 5:36:58 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: blitz128

Poland is not to be messed with. They have proved their bravery over and over during this conflict and may actually be one of the strongest NATO members. Ukraine will forever be in their debt.


106 posted on 01/24/2023 5:38:10 PM PST by Kahuna
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To: buwaya
The Koreans look like they are going to take all their markets soon.

You seem like you know what you're talking about, but I disagree on this point.

A German tank is still a German tank.


(Even Oddball was pissing himself when he heard about the Tigers guarding the bank.)

107 posted on 01/24/2023 5:38:59 PM PST by Captain Walker (Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.-Pascal)
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To: imabadboy99

That was in 2003-5.

Later they started taking armor OFF, as it was overloading the Humvees. Later yet they started deploying MRAPS, with lots of armor. Later yet (now) they have been disposing of MRAPS as unnecessary.

Thats why a lot of surplus MRAPS have been donated to Ukraine, along with obsolete M113’s and Humvees.

Things change.


108 posted on 01/24/2023 5:39:40 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: imabadboy99

Really comparing desert storm to spending now?
BTW we started desert storm with no up armored hummves ended with up armored and mraps
We learned what we needed and it happened. Not as fast as we wanted.
You begin the war with what you have not what you want


109 posted on 01/24/2023 5:40:29 PM PST by blitz128
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To: Kahuna

Yes I know but Preston knows better lol
Maybe Preston will send you a clown face as well. Or maybe he was just admitting something


110 posted on 01/24/2023 5:43:25 PM PST by blitz128
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To: Drew68
"Granted, tanks don't fly so I'd guess their maintenance needs aren't nearly as rigid as aircraft but still, they're multi-million dollar, highly technically advanced assets and they do need skilled, trained maintainers and regular spare parts."

I don't pretend to have any special knowledge, but it seems I recall US tanks using gas turbine engines. That would seem to involve a particular set of skills to maintain not easily found in Ukraine.
111 posted on 01/24/2023 5:44:32 PM PST by chrisser (I lost my vaccine card in a tragic boating accident.)
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To: Kahuna

I am kind of over chicken dinners.

Unfortunately it is one of my staples, with my triglyceride problems. Chicken and fish. Its as if I were some large cat.
On a good day I am allowed some good Basque chorizo (my favorite).


112 posted on 01/24/2023 5:46:04 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Captain Walker

Lol true but when they traded for the tiger what did moriarty(sp?) say
It’s a piece of junk, and talk about a maintenance nightmare


113 posted on 01/24/2023 5:46:13 PM PST by blitz128
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To: chrisser

The thing is that they are different kind of beast but they are rugged multifueled, engine is easy to swap and just like most everything else they would be sent to poland for repair. There are lots of spare parts in Europe


114 posted on 01/24/2023 5:51:05 PM PST by blitz128
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To: chrisser

I believe that the Abrams uses different types of fuel for it’s turbines (jet, diesel, gas) so it’s actually ideal for battle in the Ukraine. I do agree that aside from protecting some combat boots it may not be as strategically significant as some think. I do know that if I’m clearing out a village I would prefer to have a hunk of metal protecting my nuts.


115 posted on 01/24/2023 5:54:29 PM PST by Kahuna
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To: iontheball

You should get a letter off to all of the 100s of “armchair generals” and dozens of militaries making these decisions.

Also, drop a note to the Russians and let their (armchair/non-armchair?) generals know how easy this will be to take care of.


116 posted on 01/24/2023 6:04:33 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: amnestynone

Russia is still dangerous and predatory and this our opportunity to end its predatory ways now and hopefully forever. It does not seem to make any difference who runs it or what ideology it spins the more things change with them the more they stay the same. We thought it was over when Communism ended but it has not.

Baloney, their Army has been 10% of the size it was during the Fulda Gap days. All of their wars have been local rumbles on their borders and assisting Syria from our attack overthrown operation with our “moderate rebels”. Meanwhile we have prowled the world looking for fights and knocking off governments anytime we please.

It’s DC who is dangerous and predatory. By the way, they also have their crosshairs on the American people if you haven’t noticed. Wake up.


117 posted on 01/24/2023 6:06:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: tlozo
That may be true, but what makes you believe that Ukraine will be more capable?

I'm just relaying that the ISIS "JV team" was able to defeat them. No guarantees that Ukraine will be any more capable with them. It takes time to train personnel how to use them effectively. Will they all arrive in battle ready shape to be put into service immediately, or are they coming out of a mothball state of some sort? Will they arrive with spare parts to repair them? Will they have people trained on repairing them?

Receiving just tanks is one thing. Being able to use them effectively & maintain them is quite another matter.

Russia is logistically in a better position, and they also do no need to get their armament or munitions from someone else either.

How will Ukraine be supplied the munitions? Will they receive them in drips & drabs, or will there be a steady stream? The fact that they are receiving many different types of tanks is another issue also. Because then you have to train operators & mechanics for specific tanks.

We will see how it goes, but receiving the tanks is not an end all that is completely a positive.

118 posted on 01/24/2023 6:13:57 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: familyop

“would bring nothing good to the future relations”

Methinks that horse is out of the barn, down the street, and around the corner.


119 posted on 01/24/2023 6:22:08 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Robert DeLong

Ukraine has been using its own tanks, in large numbers, in combat, for a year now.

And under the actual conditions of war in its theater, against the same opponent.

They have plenty of experience in using tanks in attack and defense.

And I doubt very much that they are newbies in re logistics and maintenance, seeing as they have kept 1000+ tanks in the field, in combat. And they have generations of experience doing the same in peacetime. These tanks are different in detail, but the same skills and knowledge apply.


120 posted on 01/24/2023 6:23:16 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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