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UK considering supplying Ukraine with Challenger 2 tanks to fight Russian forces
https://news.sky.com ^ | 1/9/2023 | Deborah Haynes

Posted on 01/09/2023 5:17:41 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

The UK is considering supplying Ukraine with British tanks for the first time to fight Russia's invading forces, Sky News understands.

Discussions have been taking place "for a few weeks" about delivering a number of the British Army's Challenger 2 main battle tank to the Ukrainian armed forces, a Western source with knowledge of the conversations said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: notourwar; tanks; targets; theusualnutcases; theusualsuspects; uk; ukraine
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To: RomanSoldier19

Years ago I read an article about the sad state of the British Army. The author pointed out that (at the time) the UK had more generals than operational main battle tanks.

So it would be nice if the British sent a general along with each tank, just to keep things even.

For the curious, here’s the article.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045226/British-Army-generals-tanks-stuffed-penpushers.html


21 posted on 01/09/2023 6:22:49 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

A 64 plus ton behemoth like all Western tanks are too heavy for the Ukraine infrastructure which only supports 44 tons at best.


22 posted on 01/09/2023 6:23:47 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: yldstrk

and you imagine the Western powers are not rebuilding their stocks - which is where the lion’s share of US military aid has gone? WRE is being drawn down, not CCE.


23 posted on 01/09/2023 6:26:33 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: cba123

Hopefully the politicians and CEOs who are getting rich off this bloodshed won’t let it get too out of hand. In the meantime, buying stock in “defense” corporations might be a goo investment for the rest of us.


24 posted on 01/09/2023 6:30:20 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Armscor38

“Russia screwed up on a grand scale. NATO has an opportunity to destroy the continual threat of Mother Russia and is doing so.”

Agree. We have Russia by the throat and we shouldn’t let go until that nation’s eyes go blank.”

That’s what Hitler thought too. And Napoleon, and…. We will ALL have our eyes go blank before Russia rolls over dead. We will all be cursing the name of Ukraine, Russia, and our own gov that is intentionally leading us all down a path of misery. We are ALL going to pay the price for intentionally getting involved in a dispute almost as old as the ones in the Middle East.


25 posted on 01/09/2023 6:31:43 AM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: bert

Few people on this site and in this thread seem to appreciate the lesson of Munich. Never appease or reward aggression.


26 posted on 01/09/2023 6:32:32 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: cba123

> Everyone, needs to back off a bit. For real. <

Yep. The problem is that everyone involved is a crass politician. Some, like Biden, are simply clueless. Others, like Putin and our neocons, are warmongers. I could go on and on.

What we need here is a cool head, a businessman who knows how to make deals that satisfy everyone. Yes, I’m talking about Trump.

It would be wise if Biden appointed Trump as a special envoy to help solve the problem. But of course that would never, ever happen. So I guess I’m just dreaming.


27 posted on 01/09/2023 6:33:21 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The Donbas and Crimea are the Sudetenland of the 21st Century.


28 posted on 01/09/2023 6:34:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: Leaning Right; cba123

“””What we need here is a cool head, a businessman who knows how to make deals that satisfy everyone. Yes, I’m talking about Trump.”””

Here is how Trump would shut down all this nuclear talk by the Russians.

“Look, Stuart, when he goes in and he kills thousands of people are we going to just sit by and watch?

This country will be in 100 years from now they will be talking about what a travesty, a horrible thing this is. We can’t let that, just on a human basis we can’t let that happen, and then he says that there are nuclear power but we’re a greater nuclear power.
(snip)
But if we didn’t have it we couldn’t talk but I listened to him (Putin) constantly using the n word , that’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it. The nuclear word, and we never talk, we say oh, he’s a nuclear power, but we’re a greater nuclear power.
(snip)
You should say look , if you mention that word, one more time, we’re going to send them (nuke subs) over and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these thousands of people die. It’s going to be hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of people by the time it ends.”


29 posted on 01/09/2023 6:47:22 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Two frogs sat upon a log.
One frog considered jumping off the log.
How many frogs sit on the log?


30 posted on 01/09/2023 6:50:38 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (The only good commie is one that's dead - Country Joe McDonald)
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To: cba123

It’s astonishing to me that Russia is not making serious attempts at interdiction.

Sending the Ukrainians artillery and armor are overt acts of war.

Entering into belligerent status with no plan to win the war (yes, I know, “winning” is so , like, 1940s) is incredibly irresponsible.


31 posted on 01/09/2023 6:57:18 AM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Jim Noble

The Russians are used to supplying weapons.

Thousands of Russian served in Vietnam

“Starting in 1964, North Vietnamese fighter pilots and anti-aircraft gunners were being trained in the Soviet Union, with Soviet advisors also being stationed in North Vietnam. Early on, when the North Vietnamese troops were still unfamiliar with the new Soviet anti-aircraft batteries, Soviet crews manned the guns themselves and these crews did, in fact, shoot down US planes. One such Soviet battery reportedly downed six US planes.”

“Soviet involvement was not confined to anti-aircraft crews. There were also widespread reports (though these were never confirmed) that Soviet snipers had embedded with NVA units and infiltrated South Vietnam to test their new SVD Dragunov sniper rifles. Witnesses described these snipers as white men with blue eyes.

Beyond South Vietnam proper, but still within the unofficial theater of the war, Soviet GRU Spetsnaz special forces took part in at least one, and likely more, ground combat operation. In 1968, a team of ten Spetsnaz attacked a covert US base on the Cambodian-Vietnamese border, destroying three of the then-new US Cobra attack helicopters and actually stealing another. This operation was confirmed only after the fall of the Soviet Union, and if there was one Soviet special forces mission, there were almost certainly more.”

“From 1968 on, the Soviet Union provided the vast majority of the military and economic aid that North Vietnam received. They supplied their communist allies with food, petroleum, transport vehicles, iron, steel, fertilizer, arms, and ammunition. Most critically, the Soviets supplied all of this as aid rather than loans (as the Chinese had done early in the war). This eased the economic strain on North Vietnam and further advanced their war effort.”


32 posted on 01/09/2023 7:30:41 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Jim Noble

“””Sending the Ukrainians artillery and armor are overt acts of war.”””

Not really.

Korean United Nations war.

“Despites its denials at the time, the Soviet Union was intimately involved in the Korean War. The contribution made by the Soviets was vital. They provided diplomatic support, strategic and grand tactical planning, including the planning of the invasion of South Korea, and essential logistical support. They supplied and trained the air forces of China and North Korea. Soviet pilots flew aircraft with Chinese or North Korean markings and after the war claimed to have shot down over 400 UN aircraft.”


33 posted on 01/09/2023 7:32:30 AM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: GrumpyOldGuy

“We will ALL have our eyes go blank before Russia rolls over dead. We will all be cursing the name of Ukraine, Russia, and our own gov that is intentionally leading us all down a path of misery. We are ALL going to pay the price for intentionally getting involved in a dispute almost as old as the ones in the Middle East.”

I’m fine with that risk. If you aren’t, then what will you do about it?


34 posted on 01/09/2023 10:17:32 AM PST by Armscor38
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To: PIF

The hell you say. We are not rebuilding squat. We are squandering our wealth.


35 posted on 01/09/2023 1:38:53 PM PST by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: yldstrk

The hell you say. We are not rebuilding squat. We are squandering our wealth.


I guess you must have unilaterally cancelled all the contracts with Lockheed, BAE etc. Please ring up the Pentagon and inform them of the bad news.

As for squandering, why don’t you complain bitterly about $5 trillion spent on Covid, Inflation Reduction, and Omnibus spending acts, instead of a few billions ($25 billion) sent as military aid (most of which went to the aforementioned companies)??


36 posted on 01/09/2023 2:44:22 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

I do complain bitterly about our govenment printing money and squandering it on their Covid lies.


37 posted on 01/09/2023 4:51:24 PM PST by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Who’s going to be operating them? Not like you can just get in and drive one. Ukrainians with a British accent?


38 posted on 01/09/2023 4:54:19 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: McGruff

39 posted on 01/09/2023 6:50:10 PM PST by RomanSoldier19 (Res ad Triarios venit;“We are your ghosts, in this game played by monkeys, organized by lunatics” )
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