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Celsius Network Wins Ownership Rights to Customer Crypto Deposits [A bankruptcy judge rules firm can use $4.2 billion in cryptocurrency deposited with high-interest accounts as it sees fit]
wsj ^ | 1/4/22 | Soma Biswas

Posted on 01/05/2023 4:18:51 AM PST by catnipman

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To: SeeSharp

“In economic terms, nothing has intrinsic value.”

anything that has utility value automatically has intrinsic value ... things like food, fertilizer, fuel, medicine, building materials and a host of other raw materials and manufactured good necessary to sustain life ...


41 posted on 01/05/2023 8:48:28 AM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: catnipman

Your post is mostly correct—and I agree that crypto is a great way to separate fools from their money.

That said, it has been a major effort to keep banks from gambling in the modern era—they use their lobbyists to try to find ways so they win and .gov bails them out if they lose—and the FDIC is vastly under-funded and could not handle a major financial meltdown.

In addition in the event of a bank failure it could take several months before insured deposits would be reimbursed by FDIC.

The main reason I still keep funds in banks is my view that if the financial system collapses it won’t matter anyway—the dollar and the modern world economy will fall with it.

Crypto, on the other hand, is wild gambling with the house holding all the cards—I would prefer to do that at a casino.


42 posted on 01/05/2023 8:55:20 AM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SeeSharp

The way the story read, it sounded like Celsius gets the interest. I assume the depositors get what’s left of the deposits but I’m not sure.


43 posted on 01/05/2023 9:04:52 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: catnipman

Thanks,
Another reason not to invest in crypto!


44 posted on 01/05/2023 9:29:14 AM PST by AZJeep
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To: catnipman

30% is the standard lawyer cha-ching.


45 posted on 01/05/2023 9:59:47 AM PST by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spearhheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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To: catnipman
anything that has utility value automatically has intrinsic value

No. Value is purely subjective. What one values another may not. And what is valued today may not be valued tomorrow. What's more, different individuals value the same thing differently. There would be no trade otherwise. There is nothing automatic or intrinsic about value. This is one of the most basic principles of economics.

46 posted on 01/05/2023 11:38:59 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: wafflehouse

“if you dont hold it, you dont own it.”

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I once heard someone say, “If you can’t wallow around on it naked while holding an AR-15, you don’t own it.”

Makes me smile just to think about it.


47 posted on 01/05/2023 12:22:05 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd
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To: Roccus
crypto is not an investment, it is a medium of exchange.
that doesnt stop people from treating it how they wish (its a free country).

the beauty of crypto, is that it is money that is untouchable by government intervention. (dollar) inflation? not in bitcoin. (precious metals) rig the market price? not in bitcoin (unless they buy a whole lot more of it)

it is not immune to price rigging.. if everyone tries to screw everyone else by using the tool as a weapon (it is not an investment, it is a medium of exchange) you will get large price swings. but that will go away at some point when enough stupid people sell all their crypto or the grifters dont get enough return on their scams.

not to mention its a whole lot lighter than gold to carry and much easier to send around the world in minutes for almost no extra charges.

Crypto has the same intrisic value as the dollar!
48 posted on 01/06/2023 6:13:46 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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To: Candor7

keep going you’re starting to make me chuckle


49 posted on 01/06/2023 6:14:20 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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To: Wiz-Nerd

i like that! lol


50 posted on 01/06/2023 6:15:13 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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To: SeeSharp

In economic terms, nothing has intrinsic value.
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Yes and no.
Yes - if all in the world people suddenly stop eating eggs, their value will become 0. But that’s unlikely!
The value of some entity is set by the supply demand balance.
But most stuff on the market has some real value - people can eat it, enjoy it, cuddle it, drive it etc. Not bitcoin.
Bitcoin was supposed to be a money alternative. There are some entities which will accept bitcoin for payment.
But apparently, as a money, bitcoin is very clumsy. It takes a long time to clear the payment and since the bitcoin value fluctuates so widely, by the time it clear, one side makes killing, the other looses money.
I have read an article where they tried to buy pizza with bitcoin. It took the whole day and afterward the pizza costed them like $200.
So now, the bitcoin is purely speculative.
It is great for criminals for money laundering, moving stuff across the borders and saving ill gotten gains.
All the other suckers are bound to loose!


51 posted on 01/06/2023 8:29:14 AM PST by AZJeep
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if all in the world people suddenly stop eating eggs, their value will become 0. But that’s unlikely!

Sure. But I didn't say things can't have value. I said things do not have intrinsic value. Intrinsic means immune to external influences.

The value of some entity is set by the supply demand balance.

So... not intrinsic.

52 posted on 01/06/2023 8:45:21 AM PST by SeeSharp
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53 posted on 01/07/2023 8:04:47 AM PST by Candor7
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