Posted on 12/27/2022 2:26:53 AM PST by blueplum
(Reuters) -Moscow's proposals for settlement in Ukraine are well known to Kyiv and either Ukraine fulfils them for their own good or the Russian army will decide the issue, TASS agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying.
"Our proposals for the demilitarization and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia's security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy," the state news agency quoted Lavrov as saying late on Monday.
"The point is simple: Fulfil them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army."....
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If no one is being conscripted, then why were Russian men fleeing the country? Why then did Putin close the borders by denying them exit permits?
“Never known of a successful comedian who was actually stupid because their livelihood depends on them being mentally quick.”
There is a lot of truth in that.
“If no one is being conscripted, then why were Russian men fleeing the country?”
Because, unlike Europe and Ukraine, Russia doesn’t block ‘unfriendly media’, so get to see CNN propaganda reports on how bad the Russians are ‘getting ground up”. So those linked to the military, the reserves, get spooked by the propaganda.
Russia has ALWAYS had conscription (something that West should consider, if they want to keep trying to take over the world), and as far as I know, there has been no change to their conscription.
“As I remember it, Reagan was a governor for quite a while, before trying to run a country, and he was never a comedian (well, he could deliver a joke).”
And he was ridiculed in 1966 when he ran for governor of California. I was in California in those days, and I remember that well. That was also the campaign (he ran against the incumbent governor Edmund “Pat” Brown, the father of later governor Moonbeam) where Brown ran a commercial where he said, “Remember, Abraham Lincoln was murdered by an actor.” It backfired, because even some of his supporters said he had gone too far.
Reagan faced the same kind of ridicule when he tested the presidential waters in 1976 and when he actually ran in earnest in 1980.
BobL at 203: (by the way, no one is being conscripted, so your sources need to write better fiction)
BobL at 165: Russia has ALWAYS had conscription (something that West should consider, if they want to keep trying to take over the world), and as far as I know, there has been no change to their conscription.
In any event, for BobL at 203, I offer: Ukraine war: why Russians fleeing conscription should be treated as refugees Published: September 29, 2022 7.17am EDT
"There is also growing evidence that the way in which conscription is happening in Russia (like in so many other places) is not just haphazard but targeted. Protesters who demonstrate against conscription have been immediately served with conscription orders and ethnic minorities seem disproportionately at risk of conscription."
"Once in the military, some recruits face more than simply the risk from battle. Hazing can be extreme and living conditions are often desperate."
As for the claim that "Russia doesn’t block ‘unfriendly media,’"
I note that a July 2012 law established an Internet blacklist administered by the agency Roskomnadzor, with a further ban on software and encrypted mail services that might allow access to banned sites.
A number of censorship cases were taken by Russian citizens to the European Court of Human Rights, which held that the Russian bans were in violation of articles 10 and 13 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Nevertheless, after February 2022, the Internet blacklist was added to and censorship intensified to prevent criticism of the Ukraine war. The list of banned Internet sites is now said to include over 138,000 entries.
You missed my point. Russians have much more space to escape nuclear attack on cities. Americans will be like cornered rats with not many areas to escape to. It is OKAY if you miss simple points. We can’t all be high IQ generals.
HAHAHAHAHAHa Ukraine infra-structure has been destroyed 10 times more than Afghanistan or Iraq ever was. Ukraine is looking like Germany in WWII when Hitler had no Luftwaffe left to fight allied bombers.
You seem drunk today, you keep sending me goofy posts.
“You missed my point. Russians have much more space to escape nuclear attack on cities. Americans will be like cornered rats with not many areas to escape to. It is OKAY if you miss simple points. We can’t all be high IQ generals.”
I responded to what you wrote; I can’t divine hidden meaning or other arcana that you may have intended. Your comment was: “Russia has 12 time zones. To destroy entire Russia with nukes will destroy half of europe, Japan, S. Korea.”
You introduced your comment by mentioning Russia’s size: 12 time zones. Then you mentioned destroying Russia in its entirety; that necessarily implies the landmass. You made no mention of people.
Then, you sought to explain away your ridiculous comment in your subsequent post, where, for the first time you mention people (i.e., Russians); and, at that you make the ludicrous assumption that these folks will survive because they have a chance to escape and a destination to go to! Son, in an all-out nuclear exchange the targeted cities will be utterly destroyed along with most of the people in them. And for those lucky enough — or, unlucky enough — to live through the blasts, they won’t be going anywhere unless it’s on foot, and they aren’t going to hoof it into the hinterlands.
Just admit it: You made a dumb statement. We all do at one time or another.
“Ukraine is looking like Germany in WWII when Hitler had no Luftwaffe left to fight allied bombers.”
Such hyperbole. By the winter of 1945 German infrastructure had been leveled, with many hundreds of thousands civilians killed in the continuous air raids conducted by the Allies, principally Great Britain and the US.
Ukraine has sustained only a fraction of the damage and loss suffered by Germany in WWII, both in terms of physical damage and lives lost.
Actually it is common sense. Nuclear bombs are limited in how many square miles it can destroy. If Russia bombs just 12 cities in US, that will destroy 67% of US infra-structure and people. Russians can escape to spacious Sibera before sending nuclear armed hypersonic missiles to US. Nuclear war will be initiated by Russia and it will have the advantage of preparing and planning.
Mu point again is, US will suffer more damage and destruction than Russia in a nuclear war.
I bet you will not travel to Ukraine any time soon to volunteer for Zelensky.
“I bet you will not travel to Ukraine any time soon to volunteer for Zelensky.”
I’ll go as soon as you go to Russia and volunteer to fight for Putin in his invasion of Ukraine.
You forget that at least 90% of the Russian population live west of the Urals.
“At least 90 percent of Russia’s population lives west of the Ural Mountains. Those who live east of the Urals are primarily found in a 50-mile (81-kilometer) band on either side of the Trans-Siberian Railroad. Others are scattered in isolated settlements throughout the tundra.”
From:
Russia: regional distribution of population
geographyofrussia.com/regional-distribution-of-population/
geographyofrussia.com/regional-distribution-of-population/
You can hunker down in Russia along with BobL, who had said some months ago that in a nuclear exchange he would opt for his chances of survival in Russia, because they — according to him — have a great civil defense system.
I don’t know how ‘great’ their civil defense system is in Russia, but it certainly RUNS CIRCLES around anything we have.
...and that’s the kind of stuff that pisses me off about the Neocons, they want to take to the brink with nuclear weapons (both Russian and now China), yet they DO NOT give a damn about protecting Americans against the consequences of their actions. They seem to HATE Americans, nearly as much as they hate Russians.
No need to get excited: There isn’t going to be a nuclear war. But if there were to be one, it would not be the US that initiated it.
“No need to get excited: There isn’t going to be a nuclear war.”
Good to hear, I guess you have contacts in the Neocon community, since they’re the only ones who know, for sure, what their endgame is. I don’t have contacts, so I just have to interpret what I read and see.
“Good to hear, I guess you have contacts in the Neocon community...”
I very much doubt it.
That global homo response MR. Special agent. When did you get your badge.
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