Posted on 12/27/2022 2:26:53 AM PST by blueplum
(Reuters) -Moscow's proposals for settlement in Ukraine are well known to Kyiv and either Ukraine fulfils them for their own good or the Russian army will decide the issue, TASS agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying.
"Our proposals for the demilitarization and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia's security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy," the state news agency quoted Lavrov as saying late on Monday.
"The point is simple: Fulfil them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army."....
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Is that the best you can do? I was on FR back then and made many posts against Bill Clinton/USA/Germany bombing the Serbs for 78 days. I have read that the Germans were very insistent on bombing the Serbs into submission. And that Bill Clinton obeyed. (did the Germans have any bombers back then? I don’t think so)
I will never get why the German government hated the Serbs. Both are Christian nations. German sided with the Kosovo Muslims.
Anyway, take a look at the following as indicating Putin's desperation over lack of support for the Ukraine war:
From the December 26 Institute for the Study of War assessment:
Putin is likely concerned over the lack of support for his war in Ukraine among elites and may be setting information conditions for the nationalization of their property. Putin pointed out that there are people in Russia who act solely in their self-interest when responding to a relatively positive interview question on his sentiments toward Russians’ commitment to the war. Putin added that 99.9% of Russians would sacrifice everything for the “motherland.” Putin’s instant criticism of some members of society suggests that he is focused on those who do not fully support the war rather than on those who do. Putin made similar statements last week, noting that some businessmen who drain Russia’s money aboard are a “danger” to Russia. Putin’s statements are also consistent with the Russian State Duma’s preparations to introduce a bill to increase tax rates for Russians who had left the country after the start of the “special military operation,” likely as a form of punishment for evading the war effort. The Kremlin will likely use funds generated through the tax to fund its war in Ukraine.
RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, DECEMBER 26
Also: Putin's support from Russian society may decline fast
And: Russian Support for Putin's War in Ukraine Crumbling, According to Poll
“Sorry, Russia is a PERMANENT MEMBER of the Security Council and they VETOED the resolution, so it NEVER PASSED...the Security Council NEVER condemned Russia.”
Are you really that dense? There is a big difference between a vote and a veto, as I explained to you in an earlier post. The UNSC voted to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, but Russia vetoed. I never once said the resolution PASSED into codification, as any veto by a permanent member of the UNSC can veto anything it wants, and keep a measure from passing, and there is no provision under the UN Charter to override a veto. The only thing the veto did was to table the resolution, and keep it from going into effect at that time (theoretically it can be resurrected, but Russia would just veto it again). Russia’s veto did not eliminate the fact that the resolution had overwhelming support, or votes in favor of it (in simple language, votes FOR it). Thus, the UNSC voted FOR the resolution, but Russia (the only NAY vote), exercised its veto power and tabled it.
“Lol - so if several states gang up on one state that makes it ‘legal’? Fk the UN. You are a globalist.”
I proved you wrong (re: UN authority to partition) so you resorted to the time-honored tactic of a loser and changed the criteria, and in so doing you jumped to conclusions and assumed facts not in evidence. And you are wrong in your conclusions and assumptions.
“Are you really that dense?”
I guess that I could have read on, so yes. You did say ‘veto’, sorry about that.
“No deflection intended - I just don’t see why Russia should be held to a different standard than NATO.”
Stay on topic. This specific group of posts (which is a subgroup within the thread) is about Russia and nazism. You in effect agreed with my comment because you responded with a Tu Quoque fallacy about the United States and twitter and the US’s connection to nazism. You steadfastly refuse to accept that you agreed with me, so now you introduce into this sub-topic...NATO! Evasion! Non-sequitur!
“Really? You doubt that costly, losing wars are unpopular?”
I suspect that a costly war involving the US and Mexico, with Mexico inviting in China to set up bases on our border, would not quite as unpopular as you think.
“Institute for the Study of War”
Sorry, no one outside of government reads anything from that operation, and given their track record, it’s easy to understand why.
“Is that the best you can do? I was on FR back then and made many posts against Bill Clinton/USA/Germany bombing the Serbs for 78 days.”
You may have been against the bombing, but if you did post about it, it wasn’t until 6 months after the bombing was over.
Anyway, NATO set the standard about bombing countries into submission for sport - Russia at least does it for a reason (in the case of Ukraine, multiple reasons).
“You better tattle on yourself first, Comrade Bob”
Ok, I called someone who threatened me a Karen, and I apologize for it.
Now, back to you, this is now the FOURTH TIME that I’ve had to report you to the mods. Why do you insist on name-calling people every time you post?
“I will never get why the German government hated the Serbs. Both are Christian nations. German sided with the Kosovo Muslims.”
This goes back to WWII. The Serbs by-and-large opposed the Nazi occupation, and formed irregular forces (Chetniks) to oppose it. The Croats, in contrast, were far more sympathetic towards their nazi sponsors, and the Croation Ustase was in many ways the bastard stepchild of the German SS.
Even the Nazis had to tell The Ustase to tone it down a bit.
“Please explain what you mean by my “standing.” Is it your conclusion that such actions meet my approval?”
Probably in a hurry there...meant “standard”
In the modern era, drafting and sending masses of unwilling, untrained, and unequipped conscripts to the front adds little to an army's fighting power. At present, Russia is not gaining ground and is suffering severe casualties. Their military is poorly led, lacks essential weapons and equipment, and is now reliant on drones from Iran and artillery rounds from North Korea. Those are signs of failure and desperation, not success.
Putin and his circle are especially untrustworthy as negotiating partners. Russian propagandists have distorted Merkel's recent comment on the Minsk agreement by pretending that it revealed Western treachery against Russia. That agreement was designed to provide a format for resolving the conflict in Donbas and was widely criticized at the time as unlikely to work due to Russian dishonesty and continued aggression -- criticisms that proved true.
Merkel's recent comment was an acknowledgment of that, but with a defense of the Minsk agreement as nevertheless providing Ukraine with time to develop better ties with the West and to reform its military. And in fact, a key reason why Ukraine has had the success that it has had was its adoption of modern US and NATO military organization, training, and doctrine in place of those of the Soviet era.
So how was Russia misled? I guess the claim boils down to Russia thinking that Ukraine cheated by using the period after the Minsk agreement to better defend itself against the ensuing Russian aggression in violation of Minsk and the prior denuclearization agreement. As always, thugs are outraged when their victims put up a fight and do better than expected. I do not think that, on reflection, such thinking deserves endorsement.
The word Comrade is not name-calling; rather, it is an appellation, an honorific, similar to the French revolutionaries calling one another Citizen. It is a title applied to people of similar sentiment, or a shared commonality.
Since you are known to be openly pro-Russia, especially in its war against Ukraine; and Russians have used the appellation “Comrade” for at least 100 years when addressing one another, it is not a stretch to apply it to you, as well. Timber Rattler is just identifying you by your sentiment.
It’s actually quite tame compared with the childish label of “neocon” that is applied with wild abandon here on FR to anyone who dares to say that Ukraine has the right to defend itself against an existential threat by a larger and stronger neighbor.
“Even the Nazis had to tell The Ustase to tone it down a bit.”
That is very true!
Even if you do not like the ISW, did it misquote Putin? I think not. And what about the article I linked to about surveys showing declining support for the Ukraine War in Russia? Or the Chatham House analysis?
“A distinction without a difference. Another western military grab to encroach on Russias borders.”
What border does Kosovo share with Russia?
“And what about the article I linked to about surveys showing declining support for the Ukraine War in Russia?”
Yea, I agree that people in Russia were getting tired of, although that was only because they saw no end. The latest call up should put an end to those (valid) complaints.
“Yea, I agree that people in Russia were getting tired of, although that was only because they saw no end. The latest call up should put an end to those (valid) complaints.”
That is a very big IF. But, time will tell. You could very well end up being right. Or wrong.
In any event, historians and pundits will be debating this for at least the next hundred years.
“The word Comrade is not name-calling”
The connotation is clear here and it is used in association with my name. As to me being pro-Russia, what do you base that on? In other words, when did I ever say that I hope Russia wins? To put it another way, it is possible to be neutral in this war, and want my country to be the same. If Europe wants to fight Russia in Ukraine, that’s up to them - but I don’t need my country getting into a war for who knows what (just like Serbia, Syria, Somalia).
I agree, and as I’ve said before, the Neocons would never waste their time on this pretty-much insignificant site. In my case, I call them “Neocon supporters”, as their position on Ukraine aligns perfectly with the Neocons (not to mention, many are also NeverTrumpers).
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