Posted on 11/05/2022 3:15:31 PM PDT by NeverCheney
Liz Cheney attacked Rep. Greene for opposing Biden and US involvement in Ukraine.
Today, this was Rep. Greene’s response:
“Your father lied our country into a war with Iraq.
“Over $3,000,000,000,000 in taxpayer funds were wasted.
“And tragically over 4,500 American soldiers never came back home.
“This isn’t a game. American lives and livelihoods are on the line.
“War = bad”
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One report of Hilliburton connection to US role in Iraq.
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“ Except the enemies were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan”
Pakistan set up Taliban, so yes.
But Iraq did coordinate with Saddam regime on weapons dev.
Pretty much all Islamic regimes are the enemy.
Under Trump Saudi Arabia showed they are willing to ally.
Iraq isn’t a problem anymore.
I have no interest here in debating the myriad issues about our handling/mishandling of the Iraq intervention over so many years. There are many criticisms to be made and hard judgment calls to be debated. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. But "lied us into war." No.
The intelligence community, the national security team in the Bush administration, and the bipartisan leadership, foreign affairs, intelligence, and armed services committees in Congress all unanimously believed that Saddam had, if not operational nukes, at least the requisites of a fast restart of his program, as well as plenty of materials sufficient for a dirty bomb. And chemical weapons. Which could be in the hands of terrorist groups at any time.
Why did they all believe this? Because they were all getting exactly the same assessment from the intelligence community, which said the assessment was a "slam dunk."
Virtually every other major country with serious intelligence capabilities in the region, as well as all the relevant regional powers, thought the same thing. Whatever his true capabilities may have been, Saddam himself was working hard to convince the world of the worst. He succeeded. But he miscalculated. Bill Clinton was no longer in charge. Saddam didn't realize that this new president might actually take action.
George Bush and Dick Cheney said NOTHING about Saddam and weapons of mass destruction that Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and the entire senior national security figures of the Clinton era hadn't been saying for years. The Clinton era national security people had all gotten the same briefings.
A acquaintance of mine was very highly situated on the White House national security team. He never breathed a word about his work, as was proper. But I do know that for six months after 9/11, his days started at 4:00 a.m. because he had to prepare for the 6:00 a.m. situation reports when the principals got their more leisurely start on the day. The only thing he ever said was that people at that level were waking and checking in each morning, wondering if we had lost a city overnight.
Saddam was one of the principals of the global terrorist network. The bad guys operated in the shadows for operational surprise and the camouflage responsibilities, but collectively, they crossed the Rubicon on 9/11. And the universal assessment was that Saddam had at least the capability for dirty bombs, and maybe more, as well as chemical weapons.
The democrats who had spent the Clinton years attesting to Saddam's weapons of mass destruction did a complete 180 turn, popped everything they themselves for years down the memory hole, and began a high intensity big lie campaign directed at GWB. They did this almost in unison. One would almost think they were in collusion on the big lie. The liberal media played along. One would almost think the media was corrupt and evil. This was probably the greatest act of -- well, I'll call it treason -- in American history. It fully equals and probably exceeds the soft coup instigated against Donald Trump.
MTG is a cretin.
I have no interest here in debating the myriad issues about our handling/mishandling of the Iraq intervention...
...then you published a 300 word essay about that very topic.
Kinda like; “Don’t you dare reply to my opinions, but I’m going to tell you MY opinions”.
::Nipper the RCA dog curious head swivel::
Your boy was all for going in to Iraq in 2000. His justification? Saddaam’s wmds. Before Bush was president. Before 9/11. He then supported impeaching Bush for lying about wmds. That is who Trump is and who he will always be. An opportunist lying scumbag.
Kellogg Brown and Root is. They were once part of Haliburton. They Separated in 2006.
They are everywhere the us military is. Housing, rations, electrical, plumbing, sanitation, transportation, logistics, You name it.
Dick Cheney is a shareholder. He was CEO of Haliburton and KBR until 2000 when he became Bush's VP.
Uhhh, no. I was responding specifically and narrowly to the big lie. There are many other issues that can be raised and criticisms that can be made about the decision to invade Iraq and our subsequent handing of that very costly misadventure. I was deliberately putting those aside. I have no interest in debating them in this thread.
I wished to address narrowly the blood libel that the Bush team was lying. Perhaps they were incorrect, but that’s not the same thing as lying. The intelligence assessment was unequivocal, and that’s what Bush’s and Cheney’s statements reflected.
Remember also that most of the democrats in Congress, including Hillary Clinton, supported the invasion. (Because they had gotten the same briefings.) That of course is one of the many things that they popped down the memory hole with the full collusion of a corrupt media.
Fwiw (which is not very much), opinion here at FR was decidedly in favor of the invasion at this time. A lot of folks here seem to have a memory hole problem as well. And there are newbies who weren’t around then.
There is a broader point to be made here. We see this kind of dishonest revisionism again and again and again. A decision and actions are taken on the basis of the best available evidence at the time (often under great time pressure and with limited information that will be enhanced over time). Perhaps in retrospect, we come to understand that the decision was mistaken; that happens. But at the time it was made, it was an honest call. And the world moves on.
For myriad reasons, however, a cabal of liars never gives up the big lie. They keep gnawing away, always knowing that a new generation will arise that didn’t live the events and doesn’t know better. A revisionist lie gets established. If it is a lie convenient to the left, it is adopted by the burrowed in corrupters scattered through the media, academia and other outposts. Credulous young people are taken in. The lie becomes the new narrative.
Sometimes irrefutable evidence somehow brings an end to the lie. I don’t know if anyone today seriously maintains the innocence of the Rosenbergs. But even if truth finally won that one, golly did it take a long time.
Sacco and Vanzetti, Alger Hiss, and the myriad cold war spy cases other than the Rosenbergs are among the controversies about which my friends know not to get me started. At this point, I’m too old to much care; I’ll unload, and if it spoils the party, so be it. I’m done with the liars.
Here’s another one. The “Bush lied, people died” calumny, and the coverups being deployed to hide the coup attempt against Donald Trump and shield the guilty, are on a par with Holocaust denial. I’m done being polite.
Or should we talk about Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill?
These lies have consequences. That why the lie is sustained.
You are perfectly free to disagree with me. Tell me where I’m wrong. But be clear that I am talking strictly about the blood libel that Bush and Cheney were lying about Saddam and WMDs, not any of the other issues surrounding the war in Iraq.
We should have won the damn war and gone home.
That’s when Free Republic was a conservative site. I may not have been posting here for long, but I’ve been reading this site since 2004. I remember how it used to be before Trump especially. The sickening things that are regularly posted here belong at DU. We seriously have Halliburton posts here now. Michael Moore, Medea Benjamin, and the rest of the code pinko must be thrilled.
This is an absolutely great post. Nice to see there are some actual conservatives left. Screw MTG, but she is following the lead of her hero, DJT. He is the reason the blood libel of the left is welcome in the Republican party. He is a proven liar. He supported war with Iraq. He talked about the wmds. He can go straight to hell.
i hear there is a CIA list good dicators and bad dictators. Some baddies used to be goodies and some goodies are now baddies
so much words
...that I didn’t read beyond quickly seeing the length of your reply. No reply offered, except to point to my tagline below,
...my time is too valuable
Blam. Right between her beady little eyes.
We can counter Liz Cheney without dusting off old, false Democrat talking points.
MTG has serious problems with reality across the board both politically and personally - especially the latter, so honesty isn’t something she exactly corners the market on. Hardly someone to make a standard bearer for the cause. She’s just an attention seeker and a rabble rouser for the sake of doing so.
You write well, and you made a fair statement of your observations and opinion.
My own view is, that Iraq was far below a WMD threshold that justified invasion.
Yes - they were the ones who had the equipment to put out the oil fires Saddam set.
We went over all of these Democrat lies and talking points back in the 2000s here on this forum - now they are being adopted as “truth” by some on our side.
Hindsight is almost always 20/20.
CC
They were also a state sponsor of terrorism. Something that was regarded as common knowledge by everyone- including Democrats and the media - until after we went to war and before Bush ever took office - then the Left and the media developed total amnesia to their own comments and their own reporting to come up with the refrain “Bush lied and people died.”
These comments from MTG were what people like Ted Kennedy and company were saying. Now apparently these Leftists would be folk heroes.
I just get all warm and fuzzy every time I see a ‘wounded warriors’ ad beggin for dollars. And the freak of Cheney, has used public office to continue the family MO of acquiring wealth. The Bush bunch ‘thousand points of light’ are little more than a candle in the wind. There really is not a dimes worth of difference in W Bush or BJClinton firms. Both had agendas to create their own personal wealth, using ‘we the people’, like chattel..
Bush’s war was obstensibly about getting rid of WMD . Turns out there wasn’t any WMD that had any real offensive capability. The nuke program was long defunct. Chems were old old and of no military consequence. All stated matter of dactly in the post mortem report submitted to the U.S congress. Bush’s war provided the fertile ground for islsmo nutcases to arise. Something the secular Baathist Hissein keot a lid on. Trump was right. Waste of treasure and lives.
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