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Kremlin launches peace talks: Lavrov brings up meetings between Putin and Biden
Archyde ^ | 10/11/22 | Archyde

Posted on 10/11/2022 9:50:11 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: hflynn

81 posted on 10/11/2022 11:04:30 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: JonPreston

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/henry-kissinger-and-ending-conflict-over-ukraine-202774


82 posted on 10/11/2022 11:04:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: EEGator

That could be said about any country except maybe Luxomburg?


83 posted on 10/11/2022 11:05:08 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: cranked

There weren’t “millions”.

Zaporizhzhia - a region with a population of 1.67 million in January, and still over 800,000 today. Russia’s electoral commission’s reckoned there’d been 540k votes cast... but even they admit to 710k not being allowed to vote by virtue of them having made a conscious decision to NOT live in areas under Russian occupation.

According to the results released by the Russian Central Election Commission, DPR and the LPR, turnout across both regions was over 96% and totalled 3,793,814.

Kherson regional section of the Russian Central Election Commission: 571,001 voters took part.

By the time you add all these numbers up, Russia reckons 5 million people voted in these “referendums” and almost all of them voted for annexation.

The pre-war population of all those regions combined was 6.4 million and WAY MORE than 1.4 million have fled those regions (or been killed, or been trafficked into Russia).

Basically, if you believe their own numbers, half of the entire south of Ukraine that doesn’t want to live under Russian rule, are all in one city: Zaporizhzhia.

And if you believe Russia, 2.8 million fled into Russia, and didn’t get a vote either.

And if you believe the UN, some 7 million Ukrainians are “internally displaced”, meaning they fled the combat areas into safer areas. In other words, even without counting the ones who fled to other countries besides Russia, more south / east Ukrainians fled into Ukrainian held territory than voted in the referendum.

There’s no way of massaging the statistics even in Russia’s favor that doesn’t expose the referendum results as so far away from being realistic that the Zaporizhzhia TV crew filming unused ballot papers being added to the “yes” votes is the most logical explanation.


84 posted on 10/11/2022 11:05:52 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Sacajaweau

Kissinger is a globalist. Cant listen to those globalists!!


85 posted on 10/11/2022 11:05:53 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Magnum44

Exactly...Biden is a gift to Putin.


86 posted on 10/11/2022 11:06:57 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Seruzawa

“You’re enlisting, right?”

No, but my husband might get recalled to active duty.


87 posted on 10/11/2022 11:07:50 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: gleeaikin

Winter may be pretty rough for the Russian troops. The
Ukrainians won’t have it easy either.

As for the truck, interesting thoughts. Glad I’m not
in that inspector’s shoes.


88 posted on 10/11/2022 11:08:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: JonPreston

Say it isn’t so. One gaffe from Brandon and we could be in WW111.


89 posted on 10/11/2022 11:09:48 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (Pray for President Trump)
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To: FreshPrince

Most countries yes, but more recent we’ve been World Police.

I’ve been to Luxembourg. In Luxembourg City, a beautiful, friendly white girl working at McDonalds took my order, which included beer, and then brought it to me. I wanted to move then. Wonderful architecture, zero graffiti or trash, and essentially no crime. I think cost of living is quite high though.


90 posted on 10/11/2022 11:10:08 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: FreshPrince

Ukraine has nothing to gain by continuing the war.


91 posted on 10/11/2022 11:14:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: gleeaikin

According to the Daily Mail, one of the vehicles on the bridge was being driven by an “independent” Russian judge who has been involved in cases against the current leadership.

Because it’s the Daily Mail, I don’t trust it - however, when they do properly tenacious investigative journalism (e.g. when they tracked the Stephen Lawrence killers down) they only go public once they’ve got absolutely ironclad fact on their side. Give it a few days, and maybe we’ll see their working out.

If they can present rock solid proof that an already implausible crystallization of coincidences included catching a high profile Russian judge who’s pissed off the Vatniks while he was overtaking the truck with the explosives, that’ll make it far more difficult for the “Ukraine did it” narrative to stick.

The Uke special forces are good, but they’re not THAT good... and even with God on their side they couldn’t possibly be that lucky. So let’s watch the truck narrative die on its arse over the next week, to be replaced by frogmen working under the noses of the multiple layers of defence along the bridge (including dolphins, apparently.)


92 posted on 10/11/2022 11:19:37 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: livius

A month or so before Russia invaded, Biden made a statement that strongly implied that the US would not find a limited invasion to be unacceptable. His handlers walked it back but I had the feeling at the time that he let slip his real thinking on the matter. Something else that comes to mind is that back during the second Iraq war Biden was in favor of dividing Iraq into three countries along ethnic lines IIRC. I wonder if Putin senses that Biden’s heart really isn’t in going to the mat for Ukraine and that he’d be open to letting the Russians keep the eastern provinces as part of a deal.


93 posted on 10/11/2022 11:22:50 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JonPreston

The way to peace for Russia is already known by everyone. Get out of Ukraine including Crimea, and stop the expansionism.


94 posted on 10/11/2022 11:24:50 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Timber Rattler; PIF; Bruce Campbells Chin; Zhang Fei; All

What a sick joke for the Russian Foreign Minister to say ““This permissiveness exceeds all boundaries and leads to assassinations of journalists, political figures...”

Like he is stupid enough to think anyone paying attention to this issue doesn’t already know about Putins poisoning and other murders of journalists, political figures, and most recently executives of Gazprom and Lukoil and related entities.


95 posted on 10/11/2022 11:26:57 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority! .)
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To: familyop

Please stop the crazy talk. It’s time to get serious.


96 posted on 10/11/2022 11:28:00 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

And what does that have to do with the price of fish on Tuesday?


97 posted on 10/11/2022 11:28:22 AM PDT by McGavin999 (A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, leftists have no sense of humor, therefore………)
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To: McGavin999

If you’re looking for a cause, you got one. If you’re looking to fight, yell at your dog.


98 posted on 10/11/2022 11:30:10 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: gleeaikin
"We must demand immediate negotiation of a peaceful end to the war in Ukraine, or we will end up in World War III."

- Donald J Trump.

99 posted on 10/11/2022 11:33:09 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

I don’t yell at dogs.


100 posted on 10/11/2022 11:34:29 AM PDT by McGavin999 (A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, leftists have no sense of humor, therefore………)
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