Posted on 10/11/2022 9:50:11 AM PDT by JonPreston
The Russian leadership is open to a meeting between President Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden. If Washington were to offer a meeting at the G20 summit, Moscow would consider it, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Russian state television. According to him, the Kremlin would also be prepared to “listen to any proposals for peace talks” – for example, mediated by Turkey. However, he could not say in advance where this process would lead, Lavrov explained. He then further qualified that there had been no proposals to get in touch with the USA.
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Who is talking tough? I’m just saying that’s the way it is.
But you be sure to ping me if Putin and Zelensky ever sit down, hold hands, and sing “Kumbaya”.
"Most of what they say about their view of NATO, Biden and DC in general now is true."
But it is editorialised, and so it omits discussion points and inconvenient facts. It is aligned to an editorial line. The same issues affect Western reporting - they're linked to an editorial bias.
Consider everything written about Putin's demands, and his reasons for going to war. The most definitive information we have on that front doesn't come from any press report, it comes from his own speeches e.g. his address in February: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828. In his speech, he gives three ultimatums to NATO, the third of which involves rolling back to the status quo ante that existed when Russia and NATO jointly signed this: https://www.nato.int/cps/su/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm.
Putin's first (unqualified) demand in his address was that NATO should end its expansion. His third demand was: "And finally, rolling back the bloc's military capability and infrastructure in Europe to where they were in 1997, when the NATO-Russia Founding Act was signed." The first and third demands, together, were by far the most epoch-defining sentences in the entire speech.
You'd think the TASS reporting of his speech might've referenced something of that magnitude - but as far as I can tell, they haven't even mentioned these ultimatums. They were explored by other Russian press outlets - which Putin promptly had shut down.
"It’s obvious that Brussels and DC dismiss everything Moscow says about their fears and plans"
Putin made his grievances pretty clear, he is totally enraged by the presence of Russia's signature on treaties that say things like "each state is entitled to freely choose ways to ensure its security" especially given that those guarantees DO extend to the Warsaw Pact countries and he really wishes they didn't. Putin effectively drafted his "security guarantees" in December in such a way as to explicitly TERMINATE that principle.
I'm not sure what else NATO was meant to do in the face of such an insane demand except dismiss them. There's no way they could've even contemplated agreeing to those terms.
These are the most fundamental principles of the UN Charter, enshrined in MULTIPLE treaties we've signed with Russia. Putin was asking us to rip 'em up.
Some people think these demands were reasonable - I can only assume they're too thick to understand the implications.
Flip it. Imagine if NATO went to Russia and said it wanted Russia to
Russia would say NYET. Obviously. And, Russia would be quite blunt about how utterly retarded such demands were.
I’m just cynical enough to think that the globalists will seek an escalation of the conflict in order to declare marshal law and start the round up of their political opponents.
Very well could be.
Doubt they will ever sit down and sing “kumbaya”, but am quite confident they will sit down and negotiate a settlement. Too much death and destruction and the citizens of both nations have had enough and will no doubt force Putin and Zelensky to work it out or face the same fate as Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife.
They do things differently in the east, and when push comes to shove, they won’t hesitate to murder their politicians.
The best thing to do is to send Adam Schiff and a couple of Ukrainian radio personalities to Moscow for the negotiations, to be recorded.
“They do things differently in the east, and when push comes to shove, they won’t hesitate to murder their politicians.”
It’s only Putin who faces this possibility from his own people. Zelensky could be voted out but right now with Russia on its heels that’s not something to be expected.
Wartime leaders are rarely voted out during the war. Especially if they’re doing a good job fighting the enemy.
Again, I disagree.
The narrative and reports coming out of Ukraine are not from the citizenry and refugees. It’s from our State department and the MSM. Despite the “reported” advances and success of the Ukrainians, I suspect the average citizen is ready for this war to end and if they discover there was a chance to negotiate an end to it but Zelensky refused and decided to continue to the detriment of the civilians, he will end up like Ceausescu.
Fine. If you wish to believe the average Ukrainian is willing to give up part of their country to a dictator who tried to take ALL of their country then you are welcome to do so.
Myself, I doubt that the average Ukrainian trusts Putin to negotiate a peace and not come back later to get more.
The man is a proven liar (little green men, just an exercise, etc.) Only a fool would trust him.
I am willing to believe that far too many people on FR have too much time on their hands and spend it obsessing over things like COVID for the past two years and now the war in Ukraine.
The extent of the obsession and inability to think critically is mind-blowing. Anybody who disagrees with you is a obviously a Putin cheerleader. Your attitude is no different than somebody cheering for their favorite sports team. The war isn’t a game and the facts are not what you spew or believe.
I assume you are okay with regime change. And, oh by the way, we get to decide which regime to change.
Most people call that colonialism and/or imperialism!
That's the exact reason why we've got the big problems we've got today!
-Highest inflation in 40 years
-31 trillion in debt that we can never repay
-A society that is falling apart (shit hole cities, grooming our children, men wanting to be women and vice-versa, etc.)
-Corrupt fools as our so-called leaders
This kind of thinking is exactly why country after country is throwing in the towel and switching sides (Middle east, China, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, and many more). We are losing it!
The biggest problem for getting them to sit down is that both Z and Biden were illegally placed into the highest office’s in the land.
The greatest roadblock to Peace in the Balkinization of former USSR starts is: This thing the Biden’s Admin morphed into only to be described as the Second Coming of the Defen-Democratic Socialists Complex (Military-Industrial Complex) and his Jackboot FBI and J6 sharade are long ago the festering proof. Thus using her State Department and DoD, Old Biden the Jackboot is enjoying his war. The reasons the DNC has become such thugs is because of Georgie Soros.
Soros has single handedly survived WWII at the tender & indroctronated age of 15, on the wrong side, to using his wealth to stir up and fund racial hatred in the US, to being the main force starting wars all over the planet; he has a soft spot the slavic nations.
The way forward is to have Soros (Zoros, Zerous) hauled before the Hague. He should be read a rough listing of the Ten Commandments, with emphasis upon the “do unto others”. A 3 am raid of him and his sons, and all his private organizations/charities/employees and everything he owns divied up between all the Nations of the Earth.
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