Posted on 10/08/2022 12:49:46 AM PDT by House Atreides
This is a short video on the Crimean Bridge on which there as the tanker fire.
There appears to have been a span of the bridge which collapsed. To just have to go to the first few seconds at the linked video to see a picture of the dropped span.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npIRfEQM2kw
Crymea Bridge Collapses
Who is advancing and taking cities? If an invader supposed to do that, the failure to do so means they have not only stalled but where they have been pushed back means they are losing.
This is especially true when a Nation like Russia is supposed to dominate the Eastern European region. When it cannot do this, it is because it no longer has the strength to do it.
Unless you want to say Russia is not serious about winning?
If you call taking undefended open ground as winning, okie dokie.
If you call taking Liman/Lyman winning at the cost of huge numbers of Ukrainian lives winning. Okie dokie.
Winning or losing: both come with measurements.
And as long as the war/conflict carries on, those measurements remain fluid.
Russia is not taking territory because it has stalled.
Russia is not holding territory because it cannot defend it.
Both claims add up to losing. You are delusional if you think Russia can “win” when the nation cannot hold its gains in Ukraine. “Fluid” works when the war has only been lasting a short time and there is still some reserve strategy or strength not yet deployed. Its been nearly 8 months. What else does Russia have to change the balance?
This was a suicide bombing?
Russia is attempting to take Bakhmut, is that not territory?
Other than that, Russia “not taking territory because it has stalled” is conjecture.
Russia is pushing one place. Furthermore, the rain and mud season is kicking off followed then by the frost and winter season.
How do you know that the Russians are not just lulling the Ukrainian to take land and more land - you know which require men and military hardware while building up forces from the mobilization, etc . and then making a push or starting an offensive?
Way to many variables to even remotely suggest a stall when they are indeed and have been attempting to take Bakhmut, the lynchpin of the Ukrainian southern defensive lines.
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“Russia is not holding territory because it cannot defend it”
Open terrain is indefensible.
And any fool attempting to hold and defend open terrain ultimately gets arse-clapped.
Ukrainians are pulling their reserves and garrison reserves from Odessa, Kyiv, etc. to make this push and to keep the ‘momentum of the push relative. At what cost? Time will tell. In the meantime, Ukraine loses manpower and military equipment it that it cannot afford to be wasting or losing.
Well happy birthday anyway Putin
——Russia is attempting to take Bakhmut, is that not territory?——
Actually no. The Russian assault on Bakhmut is a token effort by commanders to show Putin and the commanders in Moscow that an effort to attack is being made. The effort against Bakhmut is just for show.
If you observe the overall battlefield you can easily see that even if the Russians do manage somehow to capture Bakhmut, they have created a vulnerable salient into Ukranian territory. As elsewhere over and over, that salient will be enveloped. The Russian troops will be trapped because they can’t get out by the single available road.
That exact circumstance has taken place over and over and over in recent weeks. In fact, the creation of Russian strong points has allowed the Ukranian envelopment tactics to be so successful.
Thank you for re-defining ‘territory’.
I hope Ukraine keeps ‘winning’.
Good luck.
INFERNO rages on after massive explosion at crucial bridge linking Russia to Crimea.
The Kerch Bridge links Russia to Crimea and Ukraine media reported it has been hit by a massive explosion in the early hours of Saturday morning.
Videos showed extensive damage to the structure as the flames continue to burn.Fire rages on after blast on Crimea bridge as Russia launches investigation | The Sun | October 8, 2022
Globalist Propaganda!!!
They have been trying to take Bakhmut for a long time now.
Just like the Ukrainians spent a long time taking Liman/Lyman.
Your point?
I think the momentum has shifted. You can be happy about that, or unhappy about it depending on your perspective. But I think it’s true.
Perception is real too.
The perception of “momentum” is easily garnered given the vast majority of the West/US/UK/EU/NATO propaganda ridden is feeding that narrative and talking point.
So it is understandable people would have that general viewpoint, especially if you take the media and what it reports at face value.
I respect your viewpoint.
If that is what you believe, OK.
I don’t necessarily view in the same way.
An easy corrective to propaganda pro-and con- is just to watch the map. And obviously to be aware that there is an information war, and both sides are engaged in it.
Something like comparing the weather you see with what the weatherman told you a few days prior.
Yes, you do realize “maps” can be tweaked, manipulated, etc.?
I follow a guy on YouTube that is not pro-Ukrainian but always uses a map from a pro-Ukrainian site, to make a point.
And if you do follow “maps,” then you will also have to acknowledge that 108,000km is a lot of land on a map that Ukraine will have to take back, yes?
That’s true. And I hear Biden already talking about finding an “off-ramp”. So it’s not clear the coalition will hold as long as it will take to recover all the land back to the previous borders. The Ukrainians are clearly willing to fight as long as it takes, but they can’t do it if the coalition unravels.
So there is a big political element to the war. Will the Putin regime outlast the coalition? Will the coalition outlast the Putin regime?
We’ll all find out together.
Agreed.
The tanker is on fire cause someones sent the tanker onto the bridge and explode real good
[Is a truck bomb loaded with ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO) a possibility? Like the 1993 WTC truck bombing?]
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