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Lawmakers want US military advisers sent to Ukraine
https://www.foxnews.com/ ^ | 7/24/2022 | By Lucas Y. Tomlinson , Melissa Chrise | Fox News

Posted on 07/24/2022 2:19:12 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19

Kyiv, Ukraine--The Biden administration should allow the Pentagon to deploy U.S. military advisers to Ukraine to help coordinate the billions of dollars of arms flowing into the country and to keep better tabs on the weapons, members of a bipartisan congressional delegation visiting Kyiv said Saturday.

"I think we should do more," Rep. Michael Waltz, R-Fla., the first Green Beret elected to Congress, told Fox News after meeting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

"That said," Waltz continued, "it should come with appropriate safeguards, with appropriate oversight and the only way we can get that oversight is to actually have some advisors in Ukraine helping their military with the planning and logistics."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ciaclownshow; hello; maag; ukrainam; ukraine; vietkraine; vietnam; warispeace; warpigs
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To: RomanSoldier19

NO!


101 posted on 07/24/2022 3:34:13 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: RomanSoldier19

File this idea in File 13 and flog the person who suggested such a thing.

5.56mm


102 posted on 07/24/2022 3:38:00 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho got to go.)
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To: All

Replace Vietnam with Ukraine..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxEyg61LC4g


103 posted on 07/24/2022 3:38:54 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: aquila48
Really stupid idea. If Russia captures a couple of them then what?

Russia will hold a fake show “trial” like the Jan 6 “committee”, using the same rules, find the American mercenaries guilty, and promptly shoot them.

104 posted on 07/24/2022 3:40:12 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Travis McGee

We have had American (boots, advisors, spooks, whatever you want to call them) on the ground and working there since last year or before. We are just fixing to up the number exponentially.


105 posted on 07/24/2022 3:41:44 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Spok

It is noot their Government that is greedy. 99%+ of that 44 billion that was sent is or will be in the politcican’s , both Republican and Democrat’s secret bank accounts. If the Ukrainians end up with 1/10of a % of the money, they will be doing good. And this arraingment will continue indefinitely. In closing, you can bet your ass United Stated Army Soldiers are firing the weapons sent there. Is just a matter of time before we are in a nuclear with Russia. How long? As long as it takes. The Neo Cons, the George Soros worshipers, the Biden Worshipers, The Globalists will not rest until they start a nuclear war with Russia.


106 posted on 07/24/2022 3:45:21 PM PDT by sport
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To: dfwgator

Yes advisors were fine in Vietnam, FDR had men there in the 1940s, Truman sent some in 1950, Eisenhower had several hundred in, but things went wrong when JFK sent 16,000 troops in and cooperated with the killing of Diem.


107 posted on 07/24/2022 3:46:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Kill a Commie for Mommy, proud NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

No... No... A thousand times No..
Bad enough we are sending our treasure to fight in Europe’s war..
Not one drop of American blood


108 posted on 07/24/2022 3:50:36 PM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: RomanSoldier19
This is nothing like Viet Nam!

In the old fashion Cold War, "proxy war", there were foreign fighters against each other with super powers supporting the belligerents from the shadows.

In this Ukraine "special military operation" the super power is a belligerent.   Our direct action against Russia would be a MAD event never to recover from.

109 posted on 07/24/2022 3:58:34 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: allendale

[Suspect US military advisors are already there manning those sophisticated artillery systems and the targeting equipment. They have been far too effective to be crewed by hastily trained Ukrainians,]


US systems are idiot-proof and automatic. Russian/Ukrainian systems are a pain in the butt, and require serious expertise. That’s why US systems are more effective. Because good help is hard to find, not having to rely on geniuses to operate the machinery is a key part of what makes it superior. Here’s the experience of a Russian pilot with his first American jet fighter, a military version of the T-38 trainer.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/soviet-pilot-who-test-flew-captured-f-5-against-mig-21-mig-23-explains-why-the-tiger-beat-the-fishbed-flogger-in-every-engagement/

The most able Russian test pilot in the unit, flying the newest Russian fighter of the time, could not beat a pilot flying a cheapo US jet fighter in subsonic dogfights. The US fighter was designated for Third World countries that couldn’t afford anything better. And it was basically a trainer souped up to carry ordnance.

The comparison is between a Javelin and an RPG. You have to be extremely skilled and have balls of steel to destroy a tank with an RPG, because you have to get really close, as in tens of yards away, and you have to hit a specific part dead-on using only your Mk1 eyeball. With a Javelin, you can target it from a mile away, and it will almost always kill the tank.


110 posted on 07/24/2022 3:58:47 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
Far better Nam song: Country Joe & The Fish - Vietnam Song (Lyrics)
111 posted on 07/24/2022 4:01:09 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: JonPreston

With the midterms 3.5 months away, this Republican dope illustrates why he is a proud member of the Stupid Party.

************

And only 5.5 months away from the backstabbing to begin all over again. The Stupid Party will not fail to disappoint.


112 posted on 07/24/2022 4:01:51 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: JonPreston

I think it was 1955; after Dien Bien Phu in 1954.


113 posted on 07/24/2022 4:02:43 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Spok

Most of our aid has been siphoned off and armaments sold on the black market

Major Russian propaganda and BS times 300. Even the Russian troops know that is not so.


114 posted on 07/24/2022 4:04:20 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: RomanSoldier19

I disagree with sending “advisers,” BTW. The Ukrainians have already been trained by the best teachers in the world to do their tasks perfectly and to be instructors themselves. They are also thoroughly motivated to do well with what they have in their fight for their freedoms and existence. Our U.S. forces and other NATO forces have been training Ukrainian soldiers for a long time.

The fear, uncertainty and doubt is coming from the Russians through their foreign legion of disgruntled anti-Americans, neo-Nazis and obsessed narcissists.


115 posted on 07/24/2022 4:14:20 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: RomanSoldier19

I was trained to be an instructor and have seen and experienced what our Army instructors can do.


116 posted on 07/24/2022 4:15:37 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Travis McGee
Like it’s not already American “contractors” (wink wink wink) aka [active duty military until last month] who are operating the HIMAR systems in Ukraine.

I was born at night......but not last night.

It is a fact, within the past fifty years, that we have had active duty service personal in foreign countries in plain clothes and their Military ID cards left behind in the CONUS.   Plausible deniability being what it is.

117 posted on 07/24/2022 4:16:35 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: ought-six
I have no problem with sending arms and materiel;

By supporting that you are directly supporting sending troops. That's the way this story book reads every time we pull it off the shelf. You and the rest of the neo's around here have unclean hands.

118 posted on 07/24/2022 4:16:40 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!!)
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To: SmokingJoe

Will probably threaten to hang the Mercenaries (Advisors) until we relent on sanctions and payments and prisoner swaps.


119 posted on 07/24/2022 4:18:01 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: RomanSoldier19

Those members of that ‘bipartisan’ war monger contingent should be the FIRST volunteers, then. Screw this.


120 posted on 07/24/2022 4:18:09 PM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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