Texas Republicans push for a referendum to vote on the state seceding from the U.S. in 2023 at meeting that declared Biden's win illegitimate

UK Daily Mail ^ | 06/20/2022 | Emily Goodin and Paul Farrell

[DFG]

Texas Republicans want to hold a referendum next year to decide whether or not the state should secede from the U.S.

The party charges the state has taken its right to self-govern and calls for secession.

The demand was part of the party platform Republicans voted on at their state convention this weekend, where they also formally rejected President Joe Biden's election in 2020 as legitimate.

Under a section titled 'State Sovereignty,' the platform states: 'Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.

'Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.'

Texas has long pushed an independent movement, called 'Texit.'

After the area declared independence from Mexico in 1836, it was a sovereign state for nine years before it was annexed by the United States in 1845. There have been multiple secession movement since then.

Legally Texas cannot secede from the union. There has been a myth that it can because of the way it was annexed but the Congressional order of annexation merely stated Texas could - at a future date - divide itself into five states. It says nothing about leaving the union.

[Robert DeLong]

Again, the southern states did that and it led to a Civil War.

Because there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits them from doing so. I agreed with you, but I also stated that it may or may not come with consequences depending on what the U.S. Government thinks about that secession. I understood fully what your point was. What is not constituted to the U.S. government is up to the state. Do you think the U.S. Government will agree to it? They didn't the last time it was tried. Question is, is Texas in possession of any nuclear weapons? 🙂

[Howie66]

Is any state required to follow “the law” when it’s plain and clear that the Federal Government is violating the law each hour of each day?

[faucetman]

If a state secedes from the union, it is no longer under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States and the constitution.

Would the government DARE try to FORCE (WAR) any state to return to the union?

The War Between The States, you may have heard of it. Not pretty, not going to happen again. The Feds wouldn’t dare.

Hey Texas, call their bluff.

[scottiemom]

My friend and fellow Texan. I wholeheartedly agree. We have nothing to lose and there doesn’t appear to be much to gain by remaining in a country controlled by godless,unjust, immoral, and degenerate perpetrators of iniquity. Better to fight on our feet for our dear Texas than to die on our knees as they surely are planning. They cannot change us and so they will execute us and our children and grandchildren. They broke any covenant that ever existed between us.

[faucetman]

They don’t have to defend the world, just Texas.

Let the leftists run the show, police the world.

[dhouston]

Ok you win, that is gold. Let’s Go Burden!

[jmacusa]

Texas tried this once before.

As I recall it didn’t work out well for Texas.

[Cboldt]

-- ... the southern states did that and it led to a Civil War. --

That was then. The global situation is different now. I think it benefits the globalists to break up the USA.

As long as globalist-minded people are running each state, e.g., California and New York are already well aligned, removing a few sinecures from pointless federal bureaucracies is easily sold to the public.

I don;t see the same sort of sentiment as was in 1860's with slavery. I doubt there would be violence trying to hang on to any state or region.

[The Louiswu]

Would the governor become the President of Texas? Nice idea but the logistics would be a nightmare.

[Robert DeLong]

You may be right you may be wrong. I personally do not know. 🙂

[Robert DeLong]

I guess a lot depends on which states secede, and if they have nuclear weapons in their possession in those state. 🙂

[DoodleDawg]

How many seats would the Republicans lose in Congress? How many electoral votes?

I believe the answer is 39.

[Dr. Franklin]

Constitutionally, there can be no such thing as secession of a State from the Union. But it does not follow that because a State cannot secede constitutionally, it is obliged under all circumstances to remain in the Union.
Source: American Historical Association

The issue is the rights of state under the Tenth Amendment. Several of them ratified the constitution while claiming the right to secede. Had the Confederate states made their case in front of SCOTUS rather then on the battlefield, they may very well have prevailed. Congress expanded SCOTUS in 1863 to 10 justices in part because SCOTUS had been considered too sympathetic to the South. As a legal issue, it hasn't really been addressed by SCOTUS.

[Cboldt]

No state possesses nukes, as far as I know. All nukes are on federal property and under the control of federal minions.

There would be some interesting legal details - like what to do about native american nations created by treaty; citizenship. I assume borders would remain open, trade would remain without duties, and so on. Might well be agreement to abide by some but not all federal edicts.

[Robert DeLong]

But those government installations are scattered across the states. 🙂

Just like Fort Sumter was in S.C.. 🙂

[Izzatso]

I believe the answer is 39.

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That’s quite an impressive political cudgel to wield... over the Republican party.

[Savage Beast]

My great grandfather fought for Texas in the 1836 War of Independence from Mexico. I am a member of TFF.

[Robert DeLong]

I was waiting for someone to make that point. Would the Supreme Court side with the state, who is no longer a state or would it defer to the U.S. Government even thought the argument is a legitimate one? Would the state say that the Supreme Court does not rule them anymore? I never try to guess what they will rule, anymore. However, since there is no statement in the constitution prohibiting the U.S. Government from recovering what is theirs, what happens when they try to recover it, and the state denies them their claim? 🙂

So, would a Supreme Court decision that the state didn't like have changed anything? We will never know because it wasn't tried. 🙂

[Cboldt]

-- But those government installations are scattered across the states.
Just like Fort Sumter was in S.C.. --

Yes, of course. My point is that secession is a different issue today, and the means and outcome could be radically different. as long as Texans don;t try to take over federal bases, etc., no firing on the fort, then it has a very different feel.

I would expect the feds to at least put up a token fight, to make things look good. The conspiracy theory material I am familiar with has the US broken into 11 or 12 regions. states retain their ID, but the government structures are aligned differently. I think it would be an easy sell to the perople - get rid of the unnecessary, overbearing, and arrogant overhead that is Washington! You can be "sort of united," common culture, diversity everywhere, etc.

Confusing borders is a bit new to USA, but it is common in Europe and the Middle East. No reason it can't be done in the US, to the benefit of the controlling families.

[eastexsteve]

Yes, we all know what happened in the Civil War. State after state voted to secede from the union, and military force was used to force states to stay in the union. Would that same process happen today, if any state voted to secede from the union?

Bring it on. Most of the "military force" resides in the south.