Posted on 05/25/2022 7:51:51 PM PDT by mooncoin
— Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.
“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.
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Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer and when the SWAT-like Border Patrol team shot him. But a department spokesman said later in the day that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.
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I can’t find it now, but there was a really good interview/write up about the response to the Roseburg, Oregon community college shooting that happened in 2015.
Two detectives (Detective Sergeant Kaney and Detective Spingath) were nearby and responded to the call. They could hear the shooting as they drove up and they pulled up close to the building they thought the shots were coming from.
IIRC, seeing as they weren’t SWAT they were just supposed to secure the area. But as they were driving in they saw they were the first ones there and they both agreed that they weren’t going to just wait.
IIRC they were supposed to wait in a safe area, get their vests and long rifles (out of the trunk?), etc.
Anyway, they drove right up and the gunman saw them and he fired at the detectives. The detectives returned fire and this went back and forth a couple of times. The detectives hit the gunman injuring him. The gunman sat down and shot himself in the head. 8 minutes from the time of the first 911 call. (Sadly - he had already killed 10 of the students, 18-20 years old range).
Iraq war veteran Chris Mintz was a student (older) and a hero. He blocked the doorway into one of the classrooms filled with students. Chris told the gunman he wasn’t getting in the room. The gunman shot him 7 times point blank. Chris lived and I believe is fully recovered but with rods in his arms/legs. Nobody else was shot after Chris stopped him.
It was just after Chris was shot that the detectives had the shoot-out with the gunman and ended it.
see my post 81
This just makes me think they wanted all those people to die. Is this orchestrated, too?
1) I haven’t found that it has been said for certain but I think a side door that was unlocked...
2)She claims he ‘suddenly quit’ two weeks ago after ‘he got enough money’ to buy two guns, ammunition and a tactical-style vest
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10855013/Texas-elementary-school-killer-Salvador-Ramos-got-job-Wendys-save-4-000-guns.html
3)One of the guns was purchased at a federally licensed dealer in the Uvalde area on May 17, according to state Sen. John Whitmire, who was briefed by investigators. Ramos bought 375 rounds of ammunition the next day, then purchased the second rifle last Friday. (above link)
Salvador Ramos, 18, legally purchased AR platform rifles on May 17, 2022 and May 20, 2022, according to a briefing from Texas Sen. John Whitmire on Wednesday. One of the guns was found in Ramos’s car outside the school and the other one was found with his body inside the school. Ramos reportedly turned 18 on May 16, according to ABC.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-school-shooting-legally-2-rifles-days-before
4)Just 10 minutes later, the first 911 call came in after he crashed his grandmother’s truck outside the nearby school and exchanged gunfire with police as he stormed into the school. (above link)
Just like Columbine
Badge no more always bravery than being a vet means you are smart about politics
I think they at least fired those cops
And fancy pickup
And that Buffalo shooter had training
Strange things
Which I’m sure have answers
If they are not up to it don’t take the job
Plenty cops have as much or more gear than this kid
Where are you that you don’t know this
Here where i live in middle tennnesse cops are super strapped
Wannabe SF
if they sat on their hands I’d be pissed
Yeah, would it have been better if they went home knowing
they shot and killed three kids to take the shooter out?
There are no easy answers here.
One of the responding officer’s child was not only in that school she was one of the kids killed.
The tragedy can be minimized if we did away with the shooting galleries known as "gun free zones." Texas law allows for teachers and staff to to be armed with specialized training. Over 110 school districts in Texas do this. Uvalde was not on that list.
You mean a rabid dog with a gun? In an instant.
The story now is that his "body armor" was minimal at best. He was quite vulnerable.
Below is an interesting article from a French soldier’s viewpoint of American soldiers.
https://warriorlodge.com/blogs/news/16298760-a-french-soldiers-view-of-us-soldiers-in-afghanistan
Some excerpts:
Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins, and creatine- they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind us of Rambo....
Arriving in contact with the enemy, the way they fight is simple and disconcerting: they just charge! They disembark and assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which cuts any pussyfooting short....
This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and Continental soldiers. ‘In the absence of orders, take a defensive position.’ Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an attack or any other ‘incident’, the American force will simply go, counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day....
The "wait" would not occur if the district had armed teachers as allowed for by Texas law. Uvalde decided not to have them.
Yes, a rifle that shoots the smallest calibre bullet made.
Yes, a rifle that shoots one of the smallest caliber bullets made.
I saw on an auction site an AR that shoots 17HMR from 30 round box mags I thought to myself a better medium range prairie poodle popper has not been made. Sadly it went for $4000 as it is a limited edition. Off season in WMA lands only rimfire is permitted or number 4 shot or smaller. I have seen what a 17HMR will do a feral hogs head from 40 yards having 31 of them with rapid fire would make a fine off-season pig popper too. This is just about the smallest caliber I can think of. Some experimental 4mm rounds but none are really commercialized.
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