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Divisions Emerging in Europe Over Ukraine Conflict
Townhall.com ^ | May 25, 2022 | Rachel Marsden

Posted on 05/25/2022 9:19:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

PARIS -- It was inevitable that sooner or later, leading European countries would start distancing themselves from the aggressive rhetoric that has been the hallmark of the European Union leadership's approach to the armed conflict in Ukraine.

Last week in Turin, Italian Prime Minister Luigi Di Maio presented a four-point peace plan to United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres, who made contact with Moscow and Kyiv in visits a few weeks ago. Di Maio also chaired the group of Europe's foreign ministers at a meeting in Turin, including those of other EU countries which have recently shown interest in de-escalating the months-old debacle.

Recently, French President Emmanuel Macron has been criticized by Baltic state leaders for even picking up the phone to engage with Russian President Vladimir Putin, while German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was pressured to contribute to the irresponsible flood of weapons into Ukraine and slammed for not being sufficiently enthusiastic about doing so.

So now Di Maio has laid out a concrete exit strategy that may already enjoy quiet backing from some EU member states. First, there would be a ceasefire and demilitarization of the battle zones. Then enshrinement of neutrality for Ukraine with security guarantees. Thirdly, a bilateral agreement between Russia and Ukraine regarding the status of contested territories. And finally, an end to anti-Russian sanctions and a multilateral peace agreement between the EU and Russia that would no doubt have to take into account arms control in the wake of flooding the zone with weapons, which may have already reportedly made their way onto the black market.

It's hardly surprising that some individual member states within the EU are seeking an off-ramp, even as the bloc's unelected supranational leadership in Brussels ramps up the irresponsible rhetoric.

The most aggressive behavior in the western world has been exhibited by those with the least to lose from prolonging the conflict -- politically, economically, or otherwise.

Washington's recently approved $40 billion package for Ukraine that includes military, economic, and humanitarian support that will end up who knows where amid corruption and chaos suggests a long-term investment in promoting instability. But the various rounds of U.S. sanctions against Russia is telling as to how confident Washington feels that its economy is mostly sheltered from any related fallout. Clearly, the roughly 8 percent of overall U.S. supply of petroleum and oil products previously imported from Russia can be replaced by other sources from Mexico, Canada, South America, or West Africa, even though in some cases the increased shipping distance could bump up the cost, as the Wall Street Journal explained last month.

So when President Joe Biden sanctions Russian industry -- energy or otherwise -- there's perhaps even a net future benefit for the U.S. through the urgency to establish greater North American energy independence (anti-pipeline anti-environmentalists be damned).

It's slightly more puzzling why the UK is taking a hari-kari approach to the conflict by arguably going even further than the U.S. In prohibiting even British citizens and companies from offering business consulting services - including accounting and public relations - to Russian business entities, the UK isn't really harming the Russian economy so much as its own by causing Russia to pivot to service providers from Europe, America or elsewhere.

Anti-Russian fervor in the UK is so misguided that even the Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) and the Women's Tennis Association (WTA) decided on May 20 to strip the annual Wimbledon tennis tournament of its ranking points for participants -- effectively reducing the competition to an exhibition match -- as a result of the tournament's decision to ban Russian and Belarusian players. You'd think that they were directly lobbing missiles into Ukraine with backhand serves.

Britain's scorched earth approach to Russia suggests that it is either ideologically drunk to the point of economic recklessness, or else it figures that it can weather the storm. Britain's National Institute of Economic and Social Research suggests that "the impact on the UK could be to reduce GDP growth by around 0.8 per cent to 4.0 per cent in 2022 and to 0.5 per cent in 2023." Meanwhile, British gas comes from the North Sea and Norway, with just 3 percent imported from Russia (compared to 35 percent for the EU).

But it's the EU that risks being hit hardest and is staring down the barrel of potential recession. Which would explain why despite EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's vow to eventually ditch Russian energy, 20 EU companies supplying member states have opened accounts in rubles in order to continue buying gas from Russia's Gazprom in light of the EU's own anti-Russian sanctions.

Some EU member states know that their citizens are fed up with the chaos and are now taking the first tentative concrete steps toward peace. What remains to be seen is how much courage they have against ideological pressure from the U.S., UK, and EU leadership.


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To: Sacajaweau
How stupid are they??

Pretty freekin' stupid, judging from current events in northern Europe.

21 posted on 05/25/2022 10:07:11 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Kaslin

Some sort of territorial compromise is necessary. If the Brits want to fight to keep Donetsk Ukrainian, good luck to them but include us out. The reality of the world energy market and the pig-headed fixation on “green” energy will force most Euros to propose compromise.


22 posted on 05/25/2022 10:16:35 AM PDT by georgecorgi
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To: Kaslin

The stupid assed neocons are not gonna put up with this.

They will lash out aggressively.

And try to provoke something.


23 posted on 05/25/2022 10:18:04 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kaslin
#1. Marsden is spinning herself dizzy here. The disagreements reported are minor and are not surprising with forty countries backing Ukraine. The agreed goal of getting Russia out of Ukraine, by force or negotiation has not changed and is not collapsing because diplomacy is happening.
24 posted on 05/25/2022 10:20:54 AM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Kaslin

Not a surprise. The world would be safer if EU dissolved.
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Z needs to work on a ceasefire as he loses territory each day.

Russian forces claimed control over Nahirne and Bilohorivka villages;
Russian forces claimed control over Toshkivka village;
Russian forces claimed control over the villages of Vidrodzhennya, Roty, Myronivka;
Clashes between the AFU and Russian forces continue on the outskirts of Severodonetsk;
Clashes between the AFU and Russian forces continue near Avdiivka;
Clashes between the AFU and Russian forces continue in the town of Lyman.
Daily politics asia update at link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZnzcEtq4hY


25 posted on 05/25/2022 10:31:09 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/24/parte-de-guerra-24-05-2022-informe-especial/

War report 05/24/2022 – special report
May 24, 2022 Zhukov


26 posted on 05/25/2022 11:54:14 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Kaslin

More accurately whether to side with Biden or side with sanity


27 posted on 05/25/2022 12:04:20 PM PDT by Nashcash
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To: All

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHQiTgrvf4

What’s up with the Howitzers? by Jacob Dreizin


28 posted on 05/25/2022 12:08:32 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

what is that..spanish?
i don’t speak or read any other language


29 posted on 05/25/2022 12:21:44 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Cathi
That’s some wild propaganda you posted there, pardner. I really appreciated the little logo with double-headed eagle of the Russian Empire in the bottom right corner. The part about how providing ATGMs to the UAF has failed was hilarious. I guess 700 Russian tanks just spontaneously popped their turrets off! I haven’t laughed so hard since I was a little girl. Thank you.


30 posted on 05/25/2022 12:22:48 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: JonPreston; McGruff; BobL; wardaddy

What’s up with the Howitzers? by Jacob Dreizin
> May 25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHQiTgrvf4&ab_channel=TheDuran

The Dreizin Report - Ukraine War & Aftermath
05-25-2022 - The Snowball Effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyGOaov3phs&ab_channel=TheDreizinReport-UkraineWar%26Aftermath


31 posted on 05/25/2022 12:23:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan; Cathi

I think Cathi might be Cuban or Venezuelan.


32 posted on 05/25/2022 12:25:27 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

google will translate it...just click on the icon on the top and it will give you the option of translating Spanish into English. I have to use it for all the Ukrainian and Russian language.


33 posted on 05/25/2022 12:28:44 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Travis McGee
Here’s The Duran’s logo:



Look familiar?


34 posted on 05/25/2022 12:36:00 PM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: Cathi

i don’t see any icon that i recognize


35 posted on 05/25/2022 12:41:16 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Kaslin

Shocking! /s


36 posted on 05/25/2022 12:50:01 PM PDT by Az Joe (Biden & ChiComs are the enemy, not Putin.)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

I sent it to you in English.


37 posted on 05/25/2022 1:05:13 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

thanks,got it


38 posted on 05/25/2022 1:28:08 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Sacajaweau

Ok, I didn’t read the article, but..

“You want to have a windmill to run a little community with 200 people...2 stores, a bar and a church...fine. But to run a city of 20,000 people. How stupid are they??”

Sure about that?

“the average turbine generates over 843,000 kWh per month—enough for more than 940 average U.S. homes.”

A typical wind farm includes many turbines.

Obviously, wind speed and energy storage capability affects delivery capacity at any given time.


39 posted on 05/25/2022 1:58:11 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

We have a similar small community not far away. One commercial building and a few homes. There is a single windmill.


40 posted on 05/25/2022 2:50:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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