Posted on 05/18/2022 11:37:20 AM PDT by dennisw
Putin unleashes the Terminators: Russia's much-vaunted war vehicles are finally deployed as Ukraine continues to obliterate invading tanks with the help of British missiles
Video shows the Terminator armoured vehicles, designed to support infantry units in urban areas, in Donbas Russia's invasion of Ukraine has taken a heavy toll on Putin's main army tanks with his resources depleted
It is the first time the Terminator vehicles have been deployed and used in battle
Vladimir Putin has finally deployed his 'Terminator' military vehicles in battle in Ukraine as Kyiv continues to obliterate invading Russian tanks with the help of British missiles.
Video shows the much-vaunted armoured vehicles, which are designed to support infantry units fighting in urban areas, in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine.
The deployment of the BMPT Terminator comes as Russia's invasion of Ukraine has taken a heavy toll on Putin's main army tanks - the T-90M tank - after Ukrainian troops continue to obliterate them with rockets.
Ukraine said this week its armed forces had destroyed Russian tanks deep behind enemy lines in the Donbas region using British-made Brimstone missiles for the first time.
Elsewhere today, the surrendered heroes of Mariupol have been taken to a Russian 'concentration camp' as fears grow for their safety, while Putin has continued to suffer blows with the loss of a further colonel, while a soldier has become the first to plead guilty to war crimes.
In an effort to bolster Russia's arsenal, a platoon of Terminator military vehicles were deployed and used for the first time in battle in the Donbas.
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It seems the article might contradict its self.
“It seems the article might contradict its self.”
Journalism standards for writing ability have sure gone down.
Even journalists in the past with whom I seldom if ever agreed at least wrote well.
From early this month:
“More than 220 Ukrainian soldiers have completed their training on the M777 howitzers, while another “150-plus” are currently going through the training, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Friday.”
Well, maybe it’s cheaper than the T-90? Then Russia can afford to lose more of them by sending them into the meat grinder.
“If he continues to fail like this there’s no telling how much of Ukraine he will end up with!”
ROFL! Excellent sarcasm!
Wake me when they have more than 200 fire teams (not individuals) trained. Set the alarm for me when all of them are proficient and can fire at rated spec.
That’s the thing about Excalibur and other laser-designated rounds. It takes less than a high school diploma to point a laser at a target.
That’s standard Russian approach towards warfare. It worked against the NAZIs. It might not work against precision guided munitions.
Exterminate exterminate!!😏
It takes less than a high school diploma to point a laser at a target
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If you have the laser to begin with, if you can get close enough without being killed in totally open, super flat ground for 100s of miles, if ...
If you have the counter battery radars, because they only have a few at the moment, and their commercial UAVs are useless for targeting with its 8km range (at best), plus the operators cannot get too close without being killed and lots have been.
Worse, the crappy Soviet-style command staff can yank the pieces from one place to another with no strategic reason, just a whim.
so... are you somehow saying that it takes more than a high school diploma to point a laser at a target?
Wait till the first carrier or two sink from waves of drones above and below the surface of the water...
we are at the very beginning of a new era in tactical combat and it will make the battlefield environment especially deadly until the commanders can learn the full capabilities of the weapons that are being produced.
Tanks are like the old calvary soldier in WW1. There will always be a need for artillery, mobile support with heavy weapons etc... but gawd, I wouldn't want to be on the developmental front line when theory and reality collide.
Lol, could be! We should never under estimate Russian stupidity. Also, their willingness to throw bodies at the enemy. Who was it; Stalin I think who said “quantity has its own quality”. Something like that. Too lazy to Google it.
One carrier is like losing an entire city. They are so expensive large but important countries are investing in anti-ship missiles instead (thinking of India here).
Unless there is some top secret top side protection or anti-missile system, they are just a less expensive toy for Putin to lose.
He’s just going to grind up the Ukrainians with artillery, if he can protect the artillery/missile units and naval platforms.
The thing about this invasion is that it’s starting to look like the Spanish Civil War. Each side testing tactics, men, machines etc... for the really big fight to follow.
Does anyone know how long it would take Russia to fully mobilize it’s male population for “threat to the Rodina” from the evil NATO/US forces “threatening” mother Russia from Finland, Baltics, and Poland?
I know that most of their cities have extensive underground bunkers but what about weapon production, training etc..... just for artillery and infantry. Then there is always the nukes... if he is going out like the Hitler we are making him out to be... (suicide), he just might want to take everyone with him.
I think Putin will be dead and gone within two years. So the only nation he will get to screw with will be Ukraine. Poland is way too large to attack, and Belorussia won’t be helping Putin.
Can you elaborate or provide a source that gives some more details?
Not doubting you, rather just interested in that aspect and want to dig deeper.
I would figure the Russians being one of the world’s energy giants (there is only us and them basically) would have a solid base when it comes to this, i.e. ensure redundancy, buffers or some reserve, plans for substitutions for when the shit hits the fan, agreements with more friendly neighbors like China... The idea of them being dependent on western and/or US based tech to keep a strategic industry alive (which feeds them) and not having thought of a conflict and trade restrictions is frankly hard to believe. Everyone knows our MO, freeze assets, restrict trade (include bullying those into submission and following our lead even if they don’t want too), pull out foreign investors and employers, politically isolate, try to dump the currency (to include printing counterfeit currency), massive information operation, use NGOs to stir up shit, use “unconventional warfare” if needed (i.e. train equip and feed Intel to folks that want to cause physical damage to the state).
Why do you think the Russians threw all US NGOs out years past?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32860526
Why do you think they passed a law around 2016 forbidding their government employees from having foreign assets?
We follow the same MO everytime and everyone knows how we play this (they just can’t do anything about it because we’re so influential). We’re like a football team that always makes the same play, so it’s sort of ***shocking*** to me that they would allow themselves to be vulnerable like that on something that important and obvious.
You mention the Ruble, where we also had an immediate victory parade, declared the Russian economy as dead...
Look at it today.
Why do you think that is? Luck, coincidence?
They already knew what we will do and they already had a mitigation strategy.
This is a game where they already know our first move, and we likely even know what their counter move will be. At least the first few moves are obvious, but then comes chance and what follows in the follow on moves gets more and more fuzzy.
Do you think the Russian dreamed up the plan to require gas payments in Rubles in March 2022, or seeing how everything was in place for that, could it be that they already had that planned?
Don’t get me wrong, they are definitely the underdog here. We are the ones leading, they are reacting to us. We are the bigger boy on the block in every aspect: military, economy, population, resources, allies, tech, media, Intel, war industrial capacities, access to strategic resources... But the point is that they are not stupid and are fully aware of what this game is and how it’s played. They have plans in place to counter what we’re doing.
The more I think about it, the idea that the Russians are dependent on western tech to keep their energy industry afloat is frankly unbelievable. No one is that stupid.
Wait till the first carrier or two sink from waves of drones above and below the surface of the water... we are at the very beginning of a new era in tactical combat and it will make the battlefield environment especially deadly until the commanders can learn the full capabilities of the weapons that are being produced.
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Posted by Kevin OMalley to nickcarraway On News/Activism
01/12/2005 12:07:37 PM PST · 17 of 25
Here is my swag on what is going to happen in Taiwan, posted on an earlier thread,
‘China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285398/posts
1) The one-child policy has created a testosterone-rich generation the likes of which no one on earth has ever seen. China will have an entire army of what they call ‘little dictators who have few prospects of finding women, and they will be very aggressively pushing their old-guard superiors for action on the Taiwan issue. The final straw will be that they’ll be promised wives when they invade Taiwan.
2) Their army is as much as 200 Million strong, which was the size predicted in Revelation in the Bible, called ‘The Kings of the East. They can afford casualties in the range of 10 million, which is 5 times bigger than our army ever was. China has some unfinished business with Vietnam, having fought to a standoff in 1979. They might do a run through Vietnam first so that their troups are more battle-hardened and arrogant, knowing that the US didn’t exactly win there. The added bonus is they get one of the largest warm water ports in the world.
3) Taiwan has never declared independence. It’s not like the brave Estonians standing up to Russia when communism fell. They’re like an impudent child claiming to have sovereignty over China. Their fatal miscalculation is that they know they’ll need Americans to fight for them if they are in a war, but Americans will be reluctant to shed blood for an ally that didn’t have the courage to declare independence until they were invaded on an ‘internal dispute. The chinese will hammer away at this in the press.
4) Chinese weapons policy has been to cycle through older generations of weaponry and stay about one generation behind the latest stuff. They sold their old silkworm missiles to the Iranians and used that money to upgrade their newer missiles, which are inferior to US missiles but they only need to be functional. The plan is to overwhelm defenses with superior numbers. No ship can stand up to 50 supersonic silkworm missiles aimed at it. They have similar tactics for other systems, such as anti aircraft missiles.
5) The chinese went up against Americans in Korea. They sent in 300 thousand infantry up against a much smaller American force. The key was that they only had rifles for about 1 in 5 personnel. So they would tell one to go as far as he could till he got shot, then the 2nd one would pick up the rifle & keep charging, and so on. Today, every one of those infantrymen has an automatic rifle. They are not as well equipped as their US counterparts but they can afford a lot of casualties. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia and other engagements proved that you can’t replace feet on the ground with air superiority. No matter how advanced the air force is nor how many smart bombs get dropped, the US won’t be able to dislodge a standing army without sending in massive troup numbers and experiencing casualties. If our press made a big deal about losing 1000 US soldiers in Iraq, they’ll have a heydey with 500 thousand casualties. Seeing the press reaction emboldens the Chinese.
6) China is building a blue-water navy including submarines. They might be able to achieve a standoff in the surrounding ocean, limiting the ability to resupply american troups while the chinese troups will pillage Taiwan. Once America loses 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers (with the resulting radioactive plumes), the calculation is that the U.S. will lose stomach for more fighting.
7) The trick to defeating these strategies with minimal casualties will be special forces operating in Taiwan. They will need to have the ability to direct standoff weapons fire onto individual tanks and squad units in order to be effective.
8) The most likely outcome will be that Taiwan will be a giant pile of rubble. Casualties could run as high as WWII. If China wins, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. If the US wins, it will take a whole generation to repair and rebuild. I think the Chinese view towards weakness or perceived weakness is a little bit like how Germany viewed the U.S. after we sent 10,000 men wandering in the hills to find Pancho Villa, to no avail. The Germans perceived it as weakness and went ahead with their war plans.
9 posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:47:37 PM by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
update in 2021
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts
There are some updated conversations regarding the sampan civilian navy internal migration approach.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4002096/posts?page=58#58
The chinese will send a sampan navy with 10million “internal migration” civilians armed with CNN uplinks, cameras, and bullhorns. When they get mowed down by our side, the resulting negative PR will be amplified by the chinese knocking out 2 of our aircraft carriers in the blockade with their hypersonic ICBM thermally guided antiship missiles.
America will luze stomach for the fight over what it already calls an internal province of China. Taiwan has never declared independence.
About a third of civilians in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese and maybe only half of them have loyalties and fifth column tendencies towards communist China. They have hundreds of thousands of cargo ships they can fill with civilians armed with cameras, CNN uplinks, and bullhorns.
The resultant slaughter will be live on CNN and the PR backlash will be enough to let China walk right back into their own internal (never did declare independence) province. If we blockade them, they’ll lob thermal-capable antiship ICBM missiles at our aircraft carriers and CNN will record them sinking to the bottom of the sea with the resultant nuclear plume.
America will luze stomach for the fight after luzing a couple $Trillion in carriers and tens of thousands of men in one afternoon, all seen on CNN, with our recourse being... to slaughter civilians. China has all the cards, they just have to lay them down on the table at this point.
And when it’s all over but the shouting, the RINOs and GOPes and democraps will be handwringing, hoping for a quick way to order chinese chips & electronics from Amazon. The chinese want the continued business of globalists so it’ll all be “can’t we just get along” and “water under the bridge” as soon as China is in charge and chips are shipping.
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