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Watch: Ukraine surrenders to Russia in Mariupol
Arutz Sheva ^ | 17/5/22

Posted on 05/17/2022 9:48:01 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

After insisting their forces would "fight to the death," Ukraine has ceded control of the major city to Russia.

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To: M Kehoe

I agree with the football analogy. And wishing we had Jim Thorpe. Punt it 80 yards in a snowstorm and run out the clock. But I have limited knowledge, and don’t see how to restore the status quo as of February 22, 2022.

In your opinion, is an E. Luttwak approach more appropriate to strategic objectives, attrition, battle space management, logistics, personnel etc? Or is the approach outlined in FM 21-76 the most one can hope to achieve?


201 posted on 05/17/2022 3:14:19 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Demonetize the Left. Buy nothing from them. Sell nothing to them. Shun them.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...
but yet retarded Rachel Maddow bots

I also like how Putinists pathologically accuse other FReepers of being liberals for opposing the Russian terror regime, and then cry about having broad statements made about themselves too.

202 posted on 05/17/2022 3:16:31 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Long Jon No Silver
Just a reminder it was on the floor of Himmler’s infamous lair at Wewelsburg Castle.

So it was a symbol he walked on every day. Do you walk on the US flag every day, or use it as a doormat?

Do you see how ridiculous it is to try to associate arcane symbols with national policies or the beliefs of millions of people?

Of course if you look for Nazi symbols everywhere here is Donald Trump strolling out across what a bunch of people with wacky ideas like you consider a Nazi symbol.

Is Donald Trump a Nazi?


203 posted on 05/17/2022 3:16:56 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: airborne

Best reply!


204 posted on 05/17/2022 3:17:34 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: Chode

No...you wear polarized glasses.

I have a high end 55” LCD from 2012 that can handle 3D, and a Blue Ray player that does as well. I have four sets of polarized glasses...you pair them with the television via Bluetooth, and instead of the red and blue glasses, these glasses polarize and de-polarize in synch with the film, and so your eyes get a slightly different picture in each one.

It is hugely fun to watch, not like those old red and blue ones which worked, but...not great.

It is dead technology, so when either my television goes or the Blueray goes, that will probably be it.

But I do enjoy it...some of the 3D titles I have are Titanic, Top Gun, Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, Finding Nemo, Inside Out, Cars, Shrek, Shrek II, Despicable Me and other Minions movies, MegaMind...it’s a lot of fun.

Most people have never seen a 3D movie except for the big theater things or the old stupid red and blue glasses, which were the best they could do, I suppose...:)

I was so bummed when that technology went dead end.


205 posted on 05/17/2022 3:19:09 PM PDT by rlmorel (Democrats running things is termite infestation, and the exterminator won't be here for 3 years.)
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To: freeandfreezing

There have always been self-hating Jews.

They keep the psychiatrists busy.


206 posted on 05/17/2022 3:19:13 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: rlmorel

I only ever saw one 3-D movie in a theater. It was “House of Wax” with the impeccable Vincent Price as the villain. 1953.


207 posted on 05/17/2022 3:24:14 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: lump in the melting pot

I get my information from a variety of sources, both ‘pro-Ukrainian’ and ‘pro-Russian’. Can confirm that ethnic Russians living in Ukraine mostly want Russian Army to go home. Also mostly want the Ukrainian Army to disengage from contact in the cities, to prepare for a ceasefire. Russian civilian leadership still prefers combat, but has lowered military expectations, along with escalated rhetoric.
Western civilian leadership is, as they say: ‘All hat, no cattle’. Western military capability, however, would easily defeat Russian military.
Let’s encourage our leaders to back off and find a non-lethal solution.


208 posted on 05/17/2022 3:26:51 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Demonetize the Left. Buy nothing from them. Sell nothing to them. Shun them.)
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To: miserare

I will say, it is pretty cool on the modern system. I liked the old ones okay, but like a lot of people, it made my eyes hurt just a bit.


209 posted on 05/17/2022 3:27:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (Democrats running things is termite infestation, and the exterminator won't be here for 3 years.)
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To: MercyFlush

RUSSIAN ARMY GENERALS KIA

Magomed Tushayev Major General 26 Feb. 2022

Andrey Sukhovetsky Major General 1 March 2022

Vitaly Gerasimov Major General 8 March 2022

Andrei Kolesnikov Major General 11 March 2022

Oleg Mityaev Major General 15 March 2022

Andrey Mordvichev LT. General 18 March 2022

Yakov Rezantsev LT. General 25 March 2022

Vladimir Frolov Major General 16 April 2022

Andrei Simonov Major General 29 April 2022

Anton Gerashchenko Chief of Staff injured 1 May 2022

RUSSIAN NAVY

Andrei Paliy Captain 1st rank [deputy commander of the Black Sea Fleet]

Anton Kurpin Commander of Russian cruiser Moskva,

Admiral Igor Vladimirovich Osipov Commander of the Black Sea Fleet, arrested?

* One-star general, equivalent t o brigadier general
Two-star general, equivalent to a major general in U.S.

** The Times [British Newspaper counted 5 Russian colonels killed in Ukraine so far}

*** On 23 April 2022, Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense reported a strike on a Russian 49th Combined Arms Army command post in Kherson Oblast, killing two generals and critically injuring one.

**** Colonel Yuri Medvedev [Commander 37th Motor Rifle Brigade] One of the officers from the brigade’s tank battalions blamed Medvedev for the deaths of his friends and co-workers: two of the brigade’s battalion tactical groups, totaling around 1,500 men had lost “about 50% of their personnel,” and “many soldiers were injured in various degrees of gravity.”

In protest, one of the officers ran over Medvedev with a tank during a “convenient moment” amid the fighting and injured both of the brigade commander’s legs. The injured brigade commander is currently in a hospital in Belarus


211 posted on 05/17/2022 3:29:45 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p)
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To: Jumper

Well said.


212 posted on 05/17/2022 3:30:52 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Burros was a Jew and a nazi simultaneously. Rare, but does happen


213 posted on 05/17/2022 3:31:38 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: AAABEST

Die angry.


214 posted on 05/17/2022 3:33:00 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Upside is it’s promotion season for a bunch of junior officers!


215 posted on 05/17/2022 3:35:34 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: StAnDeliver

“But I’ll go through your entire posting history tonight”

In other words, you have no life. So far, you’ve endorsed censorship in this forum, so long as it’s applied to someone on your sh!t list, and like a CNN anchor, you think you can draw conclusions and then find facts to fit them. Knock yourself out. My “entire posting history” spans two decades.


216 posted on 05/17/2022 3:37:25 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (All Hail the MAGA King, beloved of Ultra MAGAs and Deplorables!)
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To: freeandfreezing

Just seeing a Schwarze Sonne on a ukraine uniform immediately brings Himmler to mind. What it brings to your mind is apologetics


217 posted on 05/17/2022 3:42:01 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; All

Oh, Lord!

The evening shift of the Ukrainian Ministry of Truth has arrived.

I’m out of here!


218 posted on 05/17/2022 3:43:26 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: All

Putin Plan of Action FOUND for the establishment of a control system over the economic and political processes in Ukraine

BANKING SYSTEM
1. Establishing control over the National Bank of Ukraine and suspending operations on money withdrawal, imposition of currency control.
2. Establishing external monitoring over commercial banks to prevent asset embezzlement and transfer of depositors’ funds abroad.
3. Safeguarding banks’ storage facilities in order to prevent looting cases.
4. Connecting banks to the Russian inter-bank data exchange, payments and settlements.
5. Introduction of 100 per cent repatriation and compulsory sale of foreign exchange earnings of exporters to the National Bank.
6. Termination of currency exchange operations (excluding payments for received import), freezing of all foreign currency deposits.
7. Introduction of bank holidays in order to prevent withdrawal of assets.
8. Introduction of a moratorium on: servicing and repayment of foreign loans, transfer of profits from enterprises and property income abroad, export of capital.
9. Introduction of external management in banks that stop servicing the population and issuing deposits.
10. Introduction of temporary moratorium on currency exchange operations, except for the current trading operations of legal entities.

TRANSPORT
1. Renewal of railway communication between Ukrainian cities and Russia.
2. Establishing control over air navigation and organize a Russian-Ukrainian airline for regular air traffic.
3. Port nationalization.
4. Ensuring smooth operation of railway transport.

ENERGY
1. Establish control over nuclear power plants, restore normal operation on Russian fuel elements.
2. Nationalization of electric grids and strategic electricity generation facilities: hydroelectric power stations, large thermal power stations.
3. Establishing control over the natural gas transmission system of Ukraine.

TRADE, LOGISTICS, INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE
1. Safeguarding large trading hubs / shopping centers, food bases, grain storages; nationalization of the latter.
2. Introduction of a temporary card system for the distribution of basic food supplies among the population in need, with the establishment of pools of interested producers.
3. Ensuring oil and fuel, fertilizers, seeds for the planting season.
4. Temporary freezing of prices on basic agricultural goods and food commodities.

SOCIAL SPHERE
1. Freezing tariffs on housing and communal services.
2. Ensuring the normal functioning of public transport.
3. Denazification of the education system:
– the removal and destruction of all educational literature distorting history, promoting Nazism and Russophobia;
– restoration of compulsory Russian language and literature classes in schools;
– organization of training courses for secondary-school and high-school teachers in humanitarian disciplines (those who refuse to do so are to be discharged);
– significant increase of the quotas for admission of Ukrainian applicants to Russian universities.
4. Granting the Russian language the status of the state language, along with Ukrainian.
5. Ensure the normal functioning of hospitals and polyclinics with the preservation of free medical care with guaranteed coverage of the deficit of funds at the expense of the state budget.

FOREIGN TRADE
1. Promoting Ukraine’s membership in the Eurasian Economic Union:
– carrying out economic impact calculations;
– legal analysis;
– justification of Ukraine’s withdrawal from its Association with the EU (economic and legal findings on non-legitimacy);
– development of a road map for accession.
2. Lifting of mutual economic sanctions.
3. Re-establishment of free trade.
4. Resumption of co-operative relations.
5. Imposing a ban on the export of grain and other critical goods to ensure food security.

FISCAL SPHERE
1. Inclusion of a limited emission financing regime for the state budget deficit.
2. Revision of the state budget for 2022 with zeroing of expenditures on defense, state security, functioning of the Constitutional Court, Verkhovna Rada, functioning of the Foreign Ministry and diplomatic representations of Ukraine abroad.
3. Monitoring tax payments of structure-forming / important enterprises, excises and VAT; temporary exemption from taxation of enterprises which were destroyed or suspended their activities due to military actions.

POLITICAL AND LEGAL SUPPORT
1. Dissolution of the Verkhovna Rada, the Government, the Constitutional Court and possibly the Supreme Court as illegitimate bodies after the usurpation of power through an anti-constitutional coup d’état in 2014
2. Recognition of all legislative acts adopted after the coup d’état in 2014 invalid if they contradict the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine, which had been in force until February 21, 2014
3. Maintaining the legitimacy of local self-government bodies elected directly by the population. Transfer powers of regional state administrations to local self-government bodies, with the dissolution and liquidation of the former.
4. Delegation (by local self-government bodies) of people’s representatives to participate in the Constitutional Assembly to draft the new Constitution of Ukraine, with a national referendum afterwards.
5. Option. Hold referendums (organized by local self-government bodies) on the secession of respective regions from Ukraine. The creation of Federations of such areas with the participation of the LDPR.

PROPERTY RELATIONS
1. Seizure of assets of the persons accused and suspected of crimes.
2. Freezing of assets owned by U.S. and NATO residents, as well as offshore zones.
3. External supervision over structure-forming and strategically important enterprises, with the aim of controlling asset preservation and ensuring good management.
4. Introduction of external management on enterprises owned by persons whose assets have been seized or frozen or which have been left without director generals.
5. Introduction of external management on military industrial complex, nuclear power and industry, as well as metallurgical, chemical and other industries which pose a threat to the environment and the population.

TRANSITIONAL ADMINISTRATION
Prior to the constitutional reform, the elections to the Verkhovna Rada and the formation of a legitimate government, provisional authorities should be established. It is proposed to retain local self-government bodies and district courts on the basis of existing ones. Transitional public authorities should be formed in the order as follows:
1. Within a week, hold an election to the local self-government bodies of the liberated towns / cities (the former national authorities that were formed after the 2014 coup are to be found non-legitimate) and elect representatives to the People’s Assembly, that will convene to form new national executive bodies and draft the new Constitution.
2. Form the People’s Self-Government Committee at the first meeting of the People’s Assembly, which will be entrusted to perform the functions of the Ukrainian government until the election of the Verkhovna Rada takes place.
3. The People’s Self-Government Committee (KNS) is to appoint the ministers (except for the ministers of security forces and the foreign minister, who are to be eliminated), heads of departments, the National Bank of Ukraine, directors of structure-forming, strategically significant and environmentally hazardous enterprises (that will have external management).
4.The KNS appoints the acting heads of regional administrations, whose functions will be limited to ensuring law and order as well as the operation of regional life support systems, fiscal and other republican bodies.
5. Police units and the support systems of towns / cities will be transferred to local self-government bodies.
6. In Donetsk and Odessa, people’s tribunals – that will review the committed crimes against humanity, war crimes, political repressions, acts of genocide on the territory of LDPR and Ukraine, respectively – will be launched. The members of the tribunals shall be appointed via a general public assembly; charges shall be passed on to courts located in the areas where the crimes had been committed.
7. The People’s Assembly will impose a moratorium – for any leadership positions and participation in elections – on persons who participated in the 2014 coup and then worked for state authorities and law enforcement agencies, as well as those who are accused or suspected of committing crimes.
8. The martial law, introduced by Zelensky, will be maintained until the election of a new Verkhovna Rada. Representatives of the Russian armed forces, stationed in the respective localities, are to monitor the observance of martial law.
9. At the request of the population of Ukraine’s liberated regions, referendums will be held on secession and the creation of sovereign people’s republics.
In the future, they can unite to form new state entities (Novorossiya, Malorossiya, Slobozhanshchina …) or rejoin Russia (the reserve option).


219 posted on 05/17/2022 3:45:28 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p)
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To: Eleutheria5

220 posted on 05/17/2022 3:47:55 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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