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‘They were furious’: the Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine
The Guardian ^
| May 12, 2022
| Pjotr Sauer
Posted on 05/13/2022 7:27:59 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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Russki version of 'Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6'
To: lump in the melting pot
“I want to return to my family – and not in a casket.” Don't worry, Dimitri, the Russian military is burning the bodies...............
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:29:56 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
To: Red Badger
When the auto-loading carousel in the T-72’s and T-80’s cooks off, the crew return to mother russia as nothing more than a bad smell...
To: lump in the melting pot
In before the Putinistas call this “fake news”...
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:34:38 AM PDT
by
COBOL2Java
(Fauci is a despicable little turd)
To: lump in the melting pot
Under Russian military rules, troops who refuse to fight in Ukraine can face dismissal but cannot be prosecuted, said Mikhail Benyash, a lawyer who has been advising soldiers who choose that option.
That is no way to run a railroad - how on earth did the Russians come up with this and expect ANY sort of success?
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:38:57 AM PDT
by
larrytown
(A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
To: lump in the melting pot
Ukrainian men who tried to leave the country with their families were stopped at the border and given a uniform and that’s the way it was.
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:42:23 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
( )
To: larrytown
—yeah—times have sure changed for the Russki army since WW 2—
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:43:18 AM PDT
by
rellimpank
(--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
To: Sacajaweau
For Ukraine it’s a fight for existential survival. The mobilization is draconian, but understandable.
To: lump in the melting pot
When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade ... I'm no military expert, but I thought that elite units (unlike regular conscripts) are composed of soldiers who enjoy war. They love the challenge, the adrenalin rush, the thrill of combat. That's why they volunteered for all that extra (and extra brutal) training.
To: lump in the melting pot
This BS is as bad as Daily Mail propaganda...
Can’t you find better trash to litter FR with?
To: lump in the melting pot
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:52:48 AM PDT
by
rktman
(Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
To: lump in the melting pot
Draftees on foreign soil versus people fighting for their home and country.
No matter who you think are the good guys, or even if there ARE no good guys, this is a huge factor.
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:55:23 AM PDT
by
Republican in occupied CA
(I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
To: lump in the melting pot
War will become impossible with the oncoming Population Collapse, there will be a shortage of young men and old people don’t want to die for their country.
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:58:10 AM PDT
by
JJBookman
(War is a function of Boyle's Gas Law, without enough population growth, the pressure goes down. )
To: CarolinaReaganFan; COBOL2Java
This BS is as bad as Daily Mail propaganda...
Can’t you find better trash to litter FR with? Ooh! You must be one of them "Putinistas" that COBOL2Java warned us about!
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posted on
05/13/2022 7:58:51 AM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
To: lump in the melting pot
It is gratifying to see that there is some rule of law and protection of individual rights in Russia.
To: JJBookman
Over a hundred years ago there were many fewer people even in Europe, and of those there were fewer fighting age males. And yet they fought WWI.
For example, in France from 1908-1913 the average “conscription class”, those men fit to serve and not otherwise excempt, reaching age 20, was @220,000. These days the equivalent of Frenchmen reaching “military age” (there is no conscription in France these days), would be well over 300,000 (constrained mainly by whatever exemption policy is adopted). France certainly could fight WWI all over again if it had to.
So I doubt that would be a big constraint on future war.
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posted on
05/13/2022 8:15:08 AM PDT
by
buwaya
(Strategic imperatives )
To: rellimpank; larrytown
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posted on
05/13/2022 8:17:59 AM PDT
by
BenLurkin
((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
To: lump in the melting pot
"...We aren’t officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go...”Interesting observation from a Russian soldier.
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posted on
05/13/2022 8:18:04 AM PDT
by
budj
(Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
To: JJBookman
War will become impossible with the oncoming Population Collapse, there will be a shortage of young men There'll be plenty of young African and Muslim men. Many of them eager to wage war, loot, pillage, and rape their foreign war brides.
To: Yo-Yo
I wish I could understand why the Putinistas love anything and everything Russia, and discount anything which criticizes it.
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posted on
05/13/2022 8:21:46 AM PDT
by
COBOL2Java
(Fauci is a despicable little turd)
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