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The Russians Lost Nearly An Entire Battalion Trying To Cross A River In Eastern Ukraine
Senegal BCG ^ | 12th May 2022

Posted on 05/12/2022 8:12:19 AM PDT by Cronos

The aftermath of the Russian attempt to cross the Siverskyi Donets River.

The better part of a Russian army battalion—50 or so vehicles and up to a thousand troops—in recent days tried to cross a pontoon bridge spanning the Siverskyi Donets River, running west to east between the separatist provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine.

Ukrainian artillery caught them at the river bank—and destroyed them. The rapid destruction of around three dozen tanks and other armored vehicles, along with the bridge itself, underscores Russia’s deepening woes as its troops try, and fail, to make meaningful gains in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

“We still assess Russian ground force in the Donbas to be slow and uneven,” an unnamed U.S. Defense Department official told reporters on Tuesday. The Russians’ inability to cross rivers might explain their sloth.

The Siverskyi Donets, which threads from southern Russia into eastern Ukraine then back into Russia, is just one of several water barriers Russian battalions must cross in order to advance west into Ukrainian-held territory. According to the Ukrainian armed forces’ general staff, the battalion that got caught at the pontoon bridge apparently was trying to strike at Lyman, a city of 20,000 that lies 17 miles west of the doomed crossing.

The Ukrainian army’s 17th Tank Brigade spotted the bridge, perhaps using one of the many small drones that function as the army’s eyes over the battlefield. The 17th is one of the army’s four active tank brigades. Its line battalions operate T-64 tanks and BMP fighting vehicles. But it was the brigade’s artillery battalion with its 2S1 122-millimeter howitzers that apparently got first crack at the Russian bridge.

The 17th’s shelling destroyed at least seven T-72 and T-80 tanks, 17 BMPs, seven MT-LB armored tractors, five other vehicles and much of the bridging unit itself, including a tugboat and the pontoon span.

It’s unclear how many Russians died or were wounded, but it’s worth noting that no battalion can lose three-quarters of its vehicles and remain capable of operations. In one strike, the Ukrainians removed from the battlefield one of the roughly 99 Russian battalion tactical groups in Ukraine.

In the aftermath of their defeat, local Russian forces are sticking to their side of the river, “trying to hold positions on the right bank,” according to the general staff in Kyiv. The disastrous river-crossing comes as Russian forces also are retreating away from the city of Kharkiv, farther north.

To be fair to Moscow, crossing any water obstacle during wartime is dangerous. The Ukrainians can claim perhaps the most lopsided victory over an enemy bridging effort, but the Russians have knocked out some Ukrainian spans, too.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: accordingtoplan; feint
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To: Petrosius

The Russians are not fighting in pure battalions but in Battalion Tactical Groups.

BTG are a western construct - no one in the orc or UA army has a clue about such a thing

Here’s the actual structure of Russian Mechanized Infantry Brigades according to the UA and the RGF:

The RGF once used the Army with many Divisions. But that was during WWII and the cold war. Since there were no more major wars, the RGF downsized its unit division from Division to Battalion. However since 2012 or so they have begun to convert back to Division.

Now there is a mix of unit designations Division and Battalion.

None of the smaller divisions are even close to Western unit make up (totally forget the “BTG” terminology - a Western construct).
For instance: there are 2 kinds of Mechanized Infantry Brigades, each with a different, but similar, make up. Call them Type A and Type B.

Type A has 2 tank battalions (~60 T-72 tanks), 2 Infantry battalions, Engineer battalion, Recon battalion, 2 self propelled arty battalions (could be up to 3 battalions), MLRS (Grad) battalion, AA battalion, Comm battalion, UAV battalion (Orlon-10), Sniper battalion, and Support battalion. Self-sufficient.

Type B has 3 infantry battalions (mixed as A& B below), 1 Tank battalion.

Infantry battalions in each Brigade are of two types, call them A & B.
A has ~540 troops, 49 BTR-82s, 8 120MM Mortars, 6 AGS-17s, 15 AT missile. 3 SPG-9s. 3 companies of about 109-110 troops.
Fighting force about 300 troops.

B has ~460 troops, 42 - BMP-2s, 8 120mm mortars, 6 AGS-17s, 15 AT missiles, 3 SPG-9s. 3 companies of 91 troops.
Fighting force about 270 troops.

Troops on the frontline are never more than half, but more like 40%


They took pieces from intact Divisions and Brigades to make the original unit make up at the start of the invasion. This cannot be fixed.


41 posted on 05/12/2022 9:44:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Cronos

Kremlin could blame it all on “Ukrainian programmed Nazi Piranha fish with steel implants”, and the cherry picking/revisionist history Putin/Xi globalists on FR and many formerly conservative sites would circulate the info as “gospel”.

We should “photoshop” some images of the “Ukrainian programmed Nazi Piranha with steel implants” to help prove it...


42 posted on 05/12/2022 9:45:03 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Boogieman

Looks like more than one Mechanized Infantry Brigade, possibly even 2 or 3 mixed and thrown together to make a fighting force.


43 posted on 05/12/2022 9:47:17 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Cronos

Waiting for the usual here to claim this is Uke propaganda.

3... 2... 1....


44 posted on 05/12/2022 9:47:30 AM PDT by sauropod ("We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they are elected. Don’t you?" Why? "It saves time.”)
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To: wardaddy
Based on actual reporters who go where the fighting is it’s been over for weeks with Ukraine defeated or contained or holed up

You're right, Russians are destroying their main enemy-Ukrainian tractors

A tractor working the fields was hit by a Russian airstrike


45 posted on 05/12/2022 9:53:22 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: Kazan

Still claiming Russia Will make ukraine land locked...no onto the third month and it isn’t so...denial ain’t just a riverine eygpt.


46 posted on 05/12/2022 10:02:30 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Cronos

Vladolf’s cheering section are going to have to hit the copium pretty hard


47 posted on 05/12/2022 10:03:53 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: wardaddy

“How long has Russian troop mass been parked outside Kiev”

You think there is rooskies outside Kiev? Thats news to the rooskies


48 posted on 05/12/2022 10:06:19 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Kazan
“It may even have to give control over part of western Ukraine over to Poland.”

You dudes stop that utter nonsense. I would rather cut off my own dick than get involved in anything like that.

Go Ukes ! Burn the mongol rus nazis. Glory to the heroes. Death to the rus nazi pigs !!!

49 posted on 05/12/2022 10:07:27 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Cronos

Prolly be better just to take a bridge.


50 posted on 05/12/2022 10:23:29 AM PDT by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: Cronos

Why do Russian tanks that got flooded in a river crossing have their turrets blown off and missing. Those Russians!!


51 posted on 05/12/2022 10:24:48 AM PDT by Delta 21 (It started as a virus, and mutated into an IQ test.)
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To: PGR88

6up. It’s not western bias


52 posted on 05/12/2022 10:57:11 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: glorgau

Maybe ultimately war is just two robot armies soplugging it out and no humans killed.


53 posted on 05/12/2022 10:58:45 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Mr Rogers

The best zamoyski book is a short one, about the1920 battle of Warsaw


54 posted on 05/12/2022 11:00:32 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Kazan

The sources are multiple witnesses, satellite imagery etc.


55 posted on 05/12/2022 11:02:17 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Kazan

Kazan “There is but one outcome to this war — Russia will control the entire Donbass region. The “

Just stating your and Putin’s dream won’t make it happen.

In fact the opposite seems to be true.

Your Rossiya is weak.


56 posted on 05/12/2022 11:04:03 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Whoa. That appears to be a major ass kicking.

Arty rules!

Any generals killed this time?

5.56mm


57 posted on 05/12/2022 11:09:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: wardaddy
Based on actual reporters who go where the fighting is it’s been over for weeks with Ukraine defeated or contained or holed up

Really? No sarcasm tag for this bit of nonsense?

Many of the folks making such claims are, sadly, former U.S. military far from the scene (some of them even in Moscow) who are making sure that they keep their lucrative gigs commenting for Russian state media.
58 posted on 05/12/2022 11:52:25 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

““...the Ukrainians removed from the battlefield one of the roughly 99 Russian battalion tactical groups in Ukraine.”

Only 98 to go.”

Exactly! Also, the whole special operation was intended to last 3 months and not 3 days. Everything is going according to plan.


59 posted on 05/12/2022 12:15:50 PM PDT by MS60
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To: MS60

Then only about 10 more days to go until the special operation “plan” will be over. If Putin still has any generals left alive by then, I’m sure they will join him in Moscow for a big victory parade.


60 posted on 05/12/2022 12:26:46 PM PDT by drjimmy
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