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To: SmokingJoe; DoughtyOne

The USA in this century invaded Afghanistan and iraq.

I 100% supported the invasion of Afghanistan. And so did nearly all of the world except Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the UAE. It freed up millions of Afghans. It was good. The USA lost the peace.

I opposed the wars in iraq and still do.

In iraq, the people got touchy about the USA invading it.

In Ukraine the people get touchy about Russian invasions.


51 posted on 05/09/2022 12:37:37 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I’m not as anti-Iraq War as nearly everyone else here is.

Hussein had attacked Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.

Granted, it attacked Saudi Arabia and Israel after it was
under the gun, but then it was moving large bodies of
troops up to the borders of this neighbors through what
had been declared demilitarized zones. This wasn’t for
our benefit. It was to protect neighbor nations.

Does anyone actually think that Kuwait would have been his
last conquest? I don’t. He had his eyes on taking out the
entire Eastern side of the Persian Peninsula. He wanted
a monopoly of the regions oil reserves.

Nobody was intimating an invasion of his nation.

He was shooting his mouth off about paying $25,000 to the
family of any suicide bomber against Israel. He was also
shooting his mouth off about helping any terrorists who
wanted to attack the U. S.

He was killing his own people. His boys were over the
line Sadists.

If he had been content to be the ruler of Iraq even if
abysmally, we wouldn’t have gone there.

Does anyone think the region would have been more’
stable if the U. S. had stayed out? Would all the
problems have simply vaporized? I don’t think anyone
believes that.

As for the folks who brought in land mines and were
suicide bombers, if they had waited to vote for who
they wanted as leaders, they’d have been alive a lot
longer.

We didn’t capture the land and take any part of it,
for ourselves. We didn’t abscond with national
treasure. We didn’t even ask for oil sales to cover
our costs.

We left it stable, with the Iraqi people holding up
purple thumbs.

I’m not pleased with who we picked to be president,
but the nation isn’t attacking its neighbors. Even
though women haven’t seen all the improvement they
could have, I do believe they are better off today.

As for WMDs, Hussein prevented U. N. inspectors from
inspected troublesome sites. The implication was
that he had programs that he didn’t want the outside
world to see. All he had to do, was allow those
inspectors to see the facility. This made the U. N.
inspectors believe he had something to hide.

It made the U. S. and many other nations feel the
same way. The guy was a roman candle waiting to
go off in a fireworks factory.

While we thought he was pushing nuclear development,
he didn’t seem to have been. What he did have was
chemical weapons. Most of those are suspected to
have been moved out of country to Syria. When
chemicals were used later in Syria, it is suspected
that the chemicals used may have been part of the
former stocks of Iraq.

It is also true that the United States did uncover
a large stash of Chemical weapons between Baghdad
and the Syrian border.

It’s still iffy for me, just how much chemical
weapons he had, and if those warranted what we
did. He could have eliminated any suspicion by
just allowing inspectors to review his holdings.

He had used chemical weapons against his own
people. Why should anyone think he wouldn’t use
them against his neighbors?

Yes, in a sane world, there would not be need
for the United States to launch an operation
like we did in Iraq. We don’t live in a sane
world.

If folks think we’re bad, wait until China
starts it’s foreign interventions

Land will be taken along with everything that
exists in the territory in question.

People will be liquidated on a whim. That’s
what Communist leaderships do.

Yes, China went capitalist, as a business
model. It’s leadership didn’t change one bit.

They still have the hard line Communist
leadership, and Shanghai displays just how
happy they are to use it, and to what extent
they will use it.

Imagine how restrained they will be with
foreign powers and their people.

Not at all.

The U. S. isn’t perfect. Some folks will
always find fault with it. Sometimes it
will be somewhat justifiable.

Folks, I’m here to tell you that when the
U. S. does fall, people will look back on
this time, and wish to hell they had it
this good again.

We have major problems, major corruption, and
plenty that needs fixed. We are still the
only global power than stands between pure
evil and freedom.

When folks make the case that the United States
is not worth fixing, they simply haven’t
considered the alternative.

We can kiss relative peace good-bye, when the
U. S. exits the scene.

We wouldn’t even have the Ukraine war today if
we had Trump as president. That’s how important
the U. S. is to world stability.

Never forget it.

This is not directed at you. It’s my thoughts on
some of the issues I addressed, and the topic at
hand was Iraq.


70 posted on 05/09/2022 11:39:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: Cronos

BTW: I agree with your take on Afghanistan.

The Taliban was a very big problem. At one point they were
threatening the government of Pakistan. Imagine them with
the bomb.


71 posted on 05/09/2022 11:40:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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