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To: alexander_busek

Except it is a civil war. It started as a civil war, Donetsk broke away, as did Lugansk. They asked for Russian help. Like the French helping us in 1770s, the Russians are intervening in a civil war.


26 posted on 05/07/2022 9:18:53 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke
Like the French helping us in 1770s, the Russians are intervening in a civil war.

Only that wasn't a civil war either! It was a revolutionary war of independence, and the French weren't looking to invade our lands and annex our territory.

The comparison is ludicrous!

Regards,

27 posted on 05/07/2022 9:23:31 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: slowhandluke

Possibly the dumbest and craziest thing I’ve seen online in awhile. Congrats.


30 posted on 05/07/2022 9:25:23 AM PDT by Houserino
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To: slowhandluke

Ah yes, that famous soviet ‘brotherly assistance’. Just like Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, etc. etc.


33 posted on 05/07/2022 9:27:10 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: slowhandluke
"...except it is a civil war. It started as a civil war, Donetsk broke away, as did Lugansk. They asked for Russian help. Like the French helping us in the 1770s, the Russians are intervening in a civil war."

But that doesn't matter anymore. What the war originally was is a moot point. It's now a "total war," involving many of the world's great powers. And it might end up killing us all.

36 posted on 05/07/2022 9:30:17 AM PDT by rexthecat
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To: slowhandluke

the Russians are intervening in a civil war.
***Bullsnot. They invaded directly towards Kiev. They took Crimea. This war is about oil/gas/ports.

2 years before 2014, there was NO ethnic problems in the region. But there WAS oil & gas reserves to be exploited. You seem to have completely forgotten that in 2012 oil & gas reserves were being explored by Exxon and western oil companies. This war is about oil & gas reserves. The last time we had an oppressive regime invade their neighbor over oil & gas, an international coalition kicked his ass back to Iraq.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts

also:

Why Russia wants to invade Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts

The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.

In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.

But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.

This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc

If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.


37 posted on 05/07/2022 9:30:54 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: slowhandluke

I guess you missed Russia’s UN ambassador yesterday clearly and repeatedly recognizing Ukrainian sovereignty and independence.

If Russia does not say this is a civil war then why are you saying that?


48 posted on 05/07/2022 9:44:36 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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