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‘The king of battle’ — How US artillery in the hands of Ukrainians may reshape the war with Russia
Task & Purpose ^ | May 2, 2022 | Jeff Schogol

Posted on 05/05/2022 3:37:28 AM PDT by tlozo

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To: CodeToad

Your side painted that picture. You need to be explaining what happened to the mighty 50 ft tall Russians.


41 posted on 05/05/2022 5:44:58 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: bert; BiglyCommentary

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42 posted on 05/05/2022 5:47:28 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

The Western super majors pulling out is devastating long term for Russian oil and gas development.


43 posted on 05/05/2022 5:49:25 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: tlozo; BiglyCommentary; bert

6 M777s have been sent by Canada plus they have been training the Ukies in their use. Guess who else has been training the Ukies for a while and now doing this in Germany? The freakin’ Florida National Guard!
Australia has sent 4 M777s to Ukraine.
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A Florida National Guard unit that evacuated Ukraine in February has a new mission: continuing to train Ukrainian troops, this time outside of Ukraine.

The 160 members of the 53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team were recently reunited with their Ukrainian partners, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Friday.

The Guard soldiers first arrived in Ukraine late last year, and still have months to go on their original deployment orders.

“So they’ll do the bulk of it,” Kirby said. “But I’m not going to go so far as to say that all of it will be done just by the Florida National Guard.”

Germany will be one of the host countries, Kirby added, declining to name the other. The Guardsmen will train Ukrainian troops on equipment sent in two recent aid packages, including radars and tactical vehicles.

Canada’s Minister of National Defence Anita Anand confirmed Thursday that Canada is leading training on the M777 howitzer systems that both the U.S. and Canada have sent to Eastern Europe.

As of Friday, Kirby said, a second group of 50 Ukrainian troops is receiving week-long howitzer training, after which they’ll return home and train their own troops to operate the artillery systems. The howitzers began arriving in Ukraine over the past week.
https://www.defensenews.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/04/29/florida-guardsmen-heading-to-germany-to-continue-training-ukrainian-troops/


44 posted on 05/05/2022 5:54:55 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

I have developed what may be a bad habit. I watch a lot of You Tube foreign English language videos to learn what is really going on. The MSM is superficial and Fox seems to follow the template internationally.

I’ll check this guy out......thanks


45 posted on 05/05/2022 5:57:05 AM PDT by bert ( (KW?E. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: BiglyCommentary

“The Western super majors pulling out is devastating long term for Russian oil and gas development.”

Yup! My lazy assumption was that Russkies did this in house. I suppose Russkies can bring in Chinese to help on this end. But at this point I don’t think the CCP is going to help out Pooty who is getting a cancer operation, and might not be alive much longer.
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46 posted on 05/05/2022 6:00:39 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: bert

De nada!


47 posted on 05/05/2022 6:01:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: NorseViking

I have a few questions...

1) why are the infrastructure, power, communications etc. still standing?
2) why are russia’s best tanks still in the barns in russia?
3) why are russia’s best crack troops still in russia?
4) why are russia’s best ships still in port ( that old rusted tub that sunk is not among the best )
5) why are russia’s best aircraft still in the barn?

Once you answer all these questions, you will know what the msm does not want you to know


48 posted on 05/05/2022 6:31:45 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: occamrzr06

Can these things hit a moving target?


49 posted on 05/05/2022 6:37:00 AM PDT by refermech
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To: NorseViking

Ours are integrated with a computerized targeting system that improves their accuracy and reduces the time to aim considerably. Ours are also capable of firing rocket assisted shells for much greater range and also precision munitions.


50 posted on 05/05/2022 6:38:32 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: tlozo

US artillery is, generally speaking, out-ranged by Russian artillery.

90 M-777 and 183,000 rounds, if they were all there right now, are too few, too late to make any real difference. Ukraine war is more like WWII than Iraq.

Russia had about 4000 tubes at the start; Ukraine had about 1500 tubes. Whatever the West sends has to be in the thousands of tubes and ammo to match. One report had the UA expending 100,000 shells a week.

By Russian interdiction of rail roads, locomotives, electrical power stations, and bridges, there is no assurity that new arrivals and ammo will reach the front.

Quick Comparisons:
Ukraine 1500 tubes at start

US 90 tubes
90 - Towed M-777: Effective firing range: 14.9 mi; ERFB: 18.6 mi base bleed; M795: 17.8- 23 mi; Excalibur: 24 mi
0 - M109 155 mm turreted self-propelled howitzer: Effective firing range: conventional: 13 mi, RAP:19 mi (4 rnds min) {new version has greater range - not or just becoming operational}

German 7 tubes
7 - Self-propelled Panzerhaubitze 2000: Effective firing range: DM121 Boattail: 19–22 mi; M1711 Base bleed: 25–29 mi; RAP: 42 mi

VS

Russian 4000 tubes at start
Towed 152 mm howitzer 2A65 Msta-B: Maximum firing range: 18.0 mi
Towed 2A36 Giatsint-B, Effective firing range (OFS): 19mi; (OFARS) 25mi
Self-propelled 2S7 Pion or Malka, 203mm heavy artillery: Effective firing range 23.3 mi to 34.5 mi
Self-propelled 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, 152.4mm or 155mm, Effective firing range 24.8 mi - 49.7 mi (16 rnds min)
Self-propelled 2S1 Gvozdika, 122 mm 2A18 howitzer, Effective firing range 9.5 mi Extended: 13.6 mi (5 rnds min)


51 posted on 05/05/2022 6:39:27 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bulwinkle

The the mobile radar can pinpoint enemy artillery from up to 20 miles away.

Until the Orlon-10 artillery battery drone spots them.


52 posted on 05/05/2022 6:42:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: captain_jonas
The Poles reported that the vast majority of Ukrainians fleeing were women, children and the elderly. The Ukrainians have stopped military aged males from leaving. Both Polish and German trucking companies reported problems because so many of their male, Ukrainian drivers quit to return to fight.

Unlike ARVN or the Afghans, the Ukrainians definitely have the will to fight.

53 posted on 05/05/2022 6:43:04 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: captain_jonas

Azov is a Ukraine militia Battalion and are only “Nazis” according to Orc propaganda - repeating the accusation is to become another Orc stooge.

The Orc forces have been trying to close their pincer from Izyum to Leyman for weeks and, despite a huge increase in troops, have not moved any significant distance. They do not have enough troops and enough first rate troops left to go much beyond where they are now.


54 posted on 05/05/2022 6:49:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: bert

Ukraine has shown effectively that drones can effectively destroy tanks and armor and.......artillery


Only according to the videos posted. Other than those videos, there is no evidence of how the vehicles were destroyed. Most analysts believe artillery destroyed most of the vehicles; manpads and drone account for a much smaller percent.

Arty rounds are even cheaper than drones.


55 posted on 05/05/2022 6:54:38 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: refermech
Can these things hit a moving target?

The latest version of Exacaliber rounds are laser guided.

How many are being sent to Ukraine is unknown.

56 posted on 05/05/2022 6:55:52 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: tlozo

Good for 20 mi

against Orc artillery batteries with 2x the range.


57 posted on 05/05/2022 6:56:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF; All
Arty rounds are even cheaper than drones.

There is overlap. Cheapest drones are $400. Most expensive artillery rounds are over $20,000.

58 posted on 05/05/2022 6:59:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Bulwinkle

I was a trained artilleryman, but never really worked in my MOS, although was assigned to an artillery unit for 5 years. The trick is, when your howitzer fires a round 14 miles and th other guys can fire 8 miles, the guy shooting 8 miles has a problem. Even in the late 70s when I was in, as soon as you shot a couple rounds from a battery, it moved because of ground radar back then. They even have what s called “fuze hole” analysis, where all it takes is a couple sticks to calculate where a round came from.


59 posted on 05/05/2022 7:04:10 AM PDT by 2ABN321FA
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To: PIF

I take your point but my lost point was that drones can effectively seek out, actually see and then destroy artillery

Artillery to be accurate requires spotters. Drones can be spotter/killers it seems to me. I guess the drones can spot or the guns ad not need the killer capability to be effective


60 posted on 05/05/2022 7:04:24 AM PDT by bert ( (KW?E. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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