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Elon, you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about
Techcrunch ^ | April 26, 2022 | Devin Coldewey

Posted on 05/03/2022 12:32:51 PM PDT by hadit2here

Elon Musk is embarrassing himself on the global stage again by proudly bruiting a grade-school level of familiarity with the immensely complex concepts of free speech, censorship, rights and privileges of individuals and government authorities. The fact that this aggressively ignorant person is likely to take over one of the largest communication platforms on Earth should scare the shit out of you.

Here is what the richest man in the world said earlier today, on the platform he intends to acquire:

By ‘free speech,’ I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law. If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect. Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.

Elon’s got one thing going for him. He has demonstrated an apparently innate facility to pack more willful and privileged ignorance into a single sentence than almost anyone on the planet.

These statements are so fundamentally wrong — factually, ethically, practically, and in every other way, that I hardly know where to begin.

For one thing, he might want to look at the most elementary descriptions of what constitutes free speech and censorship. Censorship is when state authorities limit the speech of the people under their power. Free speech is the guarantee that no action defined as speech is illegal outside a few harmful examples, like harassment, hate speech and other special cases (under constant negotiation) that we as a society have decided constitute or exacerbate crimes.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; devincoldewey; elonmusk; liberalmeltdown; mediawingofthednc; musk; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; ronklain; seattle; truthsocial; twitter
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To: hadit2here

“Elon Musk is embarrassing himself on the global stage again by proudly bruiting a grade-school level of familiarity with the immensely complex concepts of free speech, censorship, rights and privileges of individuals and government authorities.” = Grade “AA” Bullshit


121 posted on 05/03/2022 3:50:39 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: DiogenesLamp
But the moment you do so at the behest of the Government, you become an agent of said Government and the Constitutional restrictions apply.

You have a gift for posting statements that almost sound like they make sense but don't stand up to a moment's reflection.

Businesses and individuals do untold number of things at various governments' request every day. Voluntarily and not under penalty of law.

Provided what the government requests is legal, what's the legal basis for saying the cooperating entity loses their Constitutional rights when they cooperate?

122 posted on 05/03/2022 4:02:58 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: DiogenesLamp; fuzzylogic
Any “virtual free PUBLIC space” should be required to allow the same free speech rules as any “physical free PUBLIC space”.

Sounds nice but I think you would have a hard time getting any of the techs to agree their property is a free public space.

123 posted on 05/03/2022 4:04:44 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: hadit2here

Is this guy 12?


124 posted on 05/03/2022 4:19:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: hadit2here

I enjoyed it, carry on.


125 posted on 05/03/2022 4:21:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: hadit2here

I wonder if Devin is a professional rioter. He reasons like one.


126 posted on 05/03/2022 4:22:57 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: hadit2here

You shoulda put a !BARF ALERT! on that.


127 posted on 05/03/2022 4:24:44 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: semimojo
Businesses and individuals do untold number of things at various governments' request every day. Voluntarily and not under penalty of law.

Are you telling us that you do not grasp the concept of a government threatening a company behind the scenes?

Did you not study the Fascism of Italy and Germany?

I can't believe you do not understand government threats and intimidation.

It does explain a lot as to why you think the way you do.

128 posted on 05/03/2022 4:27:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: tet68
Probably not a lot smarter. he can at least string together some words and make semantic sense if not rational sense.
129 posted on 05/03/2022 4:29:50 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe ovn)
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To: semimojo
Sounds nice but I think you would have a hard time getting any of the techs to agree their property is a free public space.

Yes, this concept of the public being present making it a public space is just too difficult for these geniuses to grasp.

Alternatively,

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

130 posted on 05/03/2022 4:30:04 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Are you telling us that you do not grasp the concept of a government threatening a company behind the scenes?

Two points:

1) If you want to talk about threats and coercion don't link to a comment discussing voluntary cooperation with a legal government request.

2) It would be even stupider to strip someone of their Constitutional rights because they were threatened or coerced by government.

131 posted on 05/03/2022 4:32:38 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: rightwingcrazy

FedGov will persecute him for it.


132 posted on 05/03/2022 4:36:45 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe ovn)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Yes, this concept of the public being present making it a public space is just too difficult for these geniuses to grasp.

What other public spaces require you to provide your personal information and agree to a service contract before you can use them?

The public shows up at my grocery store. I suppose the store just lost its rights too?

133 posted on 05/03/2022 4:40:37 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: hadit2here
Translations: "WE define free speech."
134 posted on 05/03/2022 5:09:44 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: semimojo

Your response is insane.


135 posted on 05/03/2022 6:16:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: semimojo

It’s free if they make it free - otherwise charge a fee and make it private.


136 posted on 05/03/2022 6:19:14 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: semimojo
What other public spaces require you to provide your personal information and agree to a service contract before you can use them?

That is a dog and pony show to get away with their legal bullsh*t. Once the public shows up, it becomes public regardless of what the terms of service say.

Try to imagine a phone company gettinng away with that sort of bullsh*t.

The public shows up at my grocery store. I suppose the store just lost its rights too?

If it's a store, no. If it's a f***ing place where the public gather to communicate with each other, then the place has no right to censor the public.

Never had that right. Again, telephone company.

137 posted on 05/03/2022 6:20:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Your response is insane.

Now you know how I feel.

You’re the one saying businesses, like the tech socials, lose their rights if they serve the public.

Despite the fact that they don’t and never have said they serve everyone.

They serve those who explicitly agree to live by their rules (TOS).

You don’t like them so want to deny them the right to set their own terms by creating a bizarre definition of ‘public’.

138 posted on 05/03/2022 6:25:14 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: fuzzylogic
It’s free if they make it free - otherwise charge a fee and make it private.

So they could get their rights back by charging 10$/year?

Interesting Constitutional take there.

139 posted on 05/03/2022 7:18:52 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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To: DiogenesLamp
If it's a f***ing place where the public gather to communicate with each other, then the place has no right to censor the public.

But it's not 'the public'. It's a group of people who formally agreed to the TOS.

These people said they would play by the rules if they were let in.

You've made clear that principle isn't very important to you but shouldn't that matter?

140 posted on 05/03/2022 7:26:10 PM PDT by semimojo (5)
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