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Ukraine is still losing so what is the plan
Moon of Alabama ^ | 20 Apr 22 | Moon of Alabama

Posted on 04/26/2022 7:09:08 PM PDT by delta7

Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere: Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military. ... Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere. The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.

Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation: Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a result of a missile attack by Russian invaders. ... On April 2, the Russian invaders destroyed the infrastructure of the Kremenchug oil refinery with their shelling, and it stopped working. The damage done daily to the Ukrainian military and military industry is huge. One can get a sense of it when one reads through the briefings of the Russian defense ministry. From today's morning brief (here in full as some have difficulties accessing the site): The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.

Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.

18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.

11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. This has now been going on daily for more than a month. While the precision of the above numbers is somewhat uncertain I do not think that they are exaggerated by much. Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the US has in total promised to send.

That means that the military destruction and defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the country's east is all but assured.

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Is their hope that their daily over the top 'Russia is losing' propaganda will create enough political momentum for a large scale NATO intervention?

That would end in a disaster for the NATO forces.

Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed: Three brigades, or a total of 36 Iskander launchers (two missiles each plus two resupply missiles per launcher) were deployed to Belarus as part of the buildup to war in Ukraine. Two additional brigades (12 launchers) were also assigned to Russia's Southern Military District and moved forward in the area of Belgorod near the Russian border; and to the area of Krasnodar, south of Ukraine. Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back.

On March 24 the Pentagon claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions. However, if the Russian defense ministry report is correct, at least 16 precision air ground missiles and 7 Iskander were used just yesterday. To me that does not sound like 'limited supplies'.

Other issues:

Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

A picture of the damaged Russian cruiser Moscwa was published today.

The Russian cruiser was damaged last week and sunk. The ship is listing and so it must have additional damage below its waterline. The picture shows fire midships on its port side where two of its close-in weapons systems and their ammunition storages are. The ships crane is deployed right above that area. The large anti-ship missiles towards the bow and the S-300 air defense launchers behind the deckhouse seem intact. The port side life rafts are no longer where they were and must have been launched. That means that a significant part of the crew likely got off the ship alive before it sank.

The picture does not tell us what has happened. Was this an accidental ammunition explosion as Russia had first claimed or was the ship hit by Ukrainian (or British?) anti-ship missiles as the Ukraine is claiming? We will have to wait for further reports to know that.


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To: delta7

It’s almost inevitable that Russia will eventually prevail but it wasn’t as easy or as much as they wanted. They would have been obliterated by a country with adequate air defenses. They may win but only because they have more poor boys to sacrifice as canon fodder. If they didn’t have nuclear weapons they would be just another tin horn dictatorship.


41 posted on 04/26/2022 9:22:16 PM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: delta7

Beyond the hyperbole accepted at face value as reality, there is so much wrong with this “analysis” there is no point on dissecting it.


42 posted on 04/26/2022 9:24:54 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Prince of Space

Agree wholeheartedly.


43 posted on 04/26/2022 9:27:08 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

You post nothing but Ukrainian propaganda that comes straight from Kiev. It’s often factually wrong or based on rumors and innuendo and usually doesn’t pan out. I prefer to look at reports from groups on both sides, regardless of their position on the spectrum. Then I try to determine the veracity of what they’re saying based on their history in addition to discounting the hyperbole and editorial comments. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.


44 posted on 04/26/2022 9:37:56 PM PDT by Prince of Space ( Let’s go, Brandon!)
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To: delta7

Russia is going to win. The only question is does Ukraine surrender or does the the world get nuked first?


45 posted on 04/26/2022 9:41:52 PM PDT by Spok (Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?)
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To: whitney69

estimated at 900 – are ultra-nationalists and accused of harboring neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideology. Can’t get much more fascist than that.
***So... just being ACCUSED of harboring NAZI and white supremacist ideology is “can’t get much more fascist than that.” Incredible bullshiite. FR is constantly ACCUSED of harboring such things but it doesn’t exist as far as I can tell. You might as well stop posting on FR since we are ACCUSED of sumthin that “you can’t get more fascist than”.


46 posted on 04/26/2022 9:47:09 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: delta7

Fake news. I stand with Ukraine.


47 posted on 04/26/2022 10:03:40 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Prince of Space

You disapprove of my posts in support of Ukraine. OK I can appreciate your thoughts. My husband asks me when I share some replies why would I go to Free Republic for abuse.

I explained 3 Reasons:
1- I have made friends over the years. [I’m addicted!]
2- I am exposed to multitude of sources.
3- I don’t believe some comments are really intentionally hurtful. Just some folks way of being witty.

4- I love receiving freeper mail on either &/or sometimes BOTH sides of the same issue. LOL
I also appreciate the dialogue of mutual respect from mail because it comes from individuals with a genuine interest to sharing insight & perspective. And, IMO that is a good thing! But then again, I have never received unkind or demeaning freeper mail.

Today for example, I received some feedback from both Russia as well as Ukraine positions that didn’t care for my article: “Putins goals and philosophy: Timothy Snyder: If Ukrainians hadn’t fought back, the world would’ve been a much darker place”
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4057955/posts

[AND THAT IS OK WITH ME! :) ]


48 posted on 04/26/2022 10:09:24 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
There, corrected it.

We have been told a variation of this BS since day one, beginning with "Biden is dragging us into a war hysterically lying about an imminent Russian invasion." Of course, the Russkies invade and 60 days pass and still no western troops on the ground.

49 posted on 04/26/2022 10:28:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: delta7

Plan? The plan is to keep this conflict going until the Bear makes a move to intimidate Biden and he calls for war against the Bear just like Lyndon Johnson did in Vietnam.


50 posted on 04/26/2022 10:31:15 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

think you nailed it


51 posted on 04/26/2022 10:46:53 PM PDT by A strike (The DeepState/Uniparty doesn't only hate Trump, they hate US)
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To: delta7

To many Russians on this website!


52 posted on 04/26/2022 11:01:45 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism les)
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To: delta7
Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

Why do they keep unnecessarily mentioning that?!

Do they wish to imply that the Russian troops are all staunch lovers of Democracy?

Regards,

53 posted on 04/26/2022 11:04:01 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Leaning Right
Some of the Ukrainian defenders are described as “fascist”, yet no negative description is attached to the Russian forces. Had the Azov battalion been described as fascists while the Russians had been described as invaders - that would have been more balanced reporting. Better yet, just report what’s happening, period.

Excellent observation!

Regards,

54 posted on 04/26/2022 11:06:19 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I personally think that it is time for Ukraine to sue for peace and cede the eastern area to Russia.

Upon just what do you base that bold assessment / recommendation?!

Have "enough" poor Russian soldiers died, in your opinion? Do you want the wanton missile strikes against Russian oil depots to finally stop?

Easy enough to make facile recommendations like that when it isn't your country!

Regards,

55 posted on 04/26/2022 11:11:00 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: delta7

As stated.....”On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender...... the Zelensky government ordered them to stay”

Then they wonder why the deaths continue.


56 posted on 04/26/2022 11:11:04 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: PGR88

Yup....Ukrain army causing issues in Moldovia and Trans in order to esculate this war.


57 posted on 04/26/2022 11:13:42 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

58 posted on 04/26/2022 11:20:48 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: alexander_busek
Upon just what do you base that bold assessment / recommendation?!

I do not pretend it is bold. It is just my opinion based on what little I know. I don't think that Ukraine can stop Russia altogether. I do believe that Ukraine had been lobbing missles into areas that were claiming independence.

Easy enough to make facile recommendations like that when it isn't your country!

It is also easy for Zelensky to suggest our involvement when the USA and NATO states aren't his country, either. I'd like the shooting in both directions to stop. If Ukraine wants to fight to the last man, that's her prerogative.
59 posted on 04/26/2022 11:21:11 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (“...we would live very well without Facebook."-B.LeMaire)
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To: delta7

Pootie is winning the east..bout done

He’s still parked same places elsewhere same as a few days in

Some dust ups here and there

Uke air is gone

Uke army can raid a bit and launch some arty from their city hidey holes

Maybe some direct action hit rods can blow up a tank here and there and scamper

Lights and water on most of the country...strange total war genocide by usual measures

We are propping up a waiting game with some arms and cash cash cash and more cash....lord knows which Zurich bank or Liechtenstein foundation it ends up in...likely same bank Pootie nameless relative keeps Pooties lol

What a weird thing war and aid and support and western pro war propaganda has morphed into

A social media war where propaganda rules ...like I’ve never seen

He could reduce all major cities if he wished

He hasn’t

I assume he figures he can wait it out

We shall see

Zelensky folds when

Dead
West folds
Or his oligarchs tell him no más

Pootie has none of those encumberances

He’s shotcaller


60 posted on 04/26/2022 11:22:24 PM PDT by wardaddy (Faulkner never knew Free Republic but he coined its nickname...The Sound and The Fury)
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