Why Ukraine Is Winning

The Atlantic ^ | APRIL 8, 2022 | Phillips Payson O’Brien

[blackberry1]

Hey....we all have our story deadlines. Give the guy a break....

[dforest]

Starts out with a lie. There was no battle of Kyiv. LOL

[1Old Pro]

I’m hoping for Ukrainians, but not convinced they are winning.

[tlozo]

There was no battle of Kyiv

Lol, and the Moscva is still floating, okay.

[Rdct29]

I don't know if Russia ever wanted to take Kiev. The one thing I still haven't seen reported is the military losses of the Ukraine. It has been a total blackout from day one. We get daily reports of Ukrainian soldiers taking out a single Russian tank but nothing on Ukrainian losses. I don't like either side in this war of corrupt governments. I wonder which country is blackmailing pedoJoe on any given day. Both countries and China have much dirt on our decrepit old diddler and his scumbag son.

[bert]

Kiev was a feint in force to split Ukraine forces away from the main assault in the east

[dforest]

Did I say the Moscva is not sunk, or that Ukraine didn’t attack it? It is you using the hyperbole. I just stated a fact.

[tlozo]

Kiev was a feint in force

Kyiv was an attack. Have not seen one military analyst that has called it a feint.

[arthurus]

No. Ukraine is not winning. Other than that we know nothing of the conflict other than there is one. No source of information is reliable. Almost all are conjecture or prpaganda. The few rest cannot be descried.

[DoughtyOne]

The Ukraine is not winning.

They are making Russia pay a steep price for doing it,
but Russia is achieving its true goals.

The one goal they didn’t achieve was regime change,
but then this isn’t over yet.

[bert]

The effort in the east was the attack. The assault in the north was as you said but the effort was to split the defense. The troops assigned were apparently second or third rate and not the best.

[Rdct29]

That’s my thought as well. I don’t think Russia wanted to fight a gorilla war in Kiev. I think they wanted to divide Ukrainian forces and inflict as many casualties as possible on the defenders. It’s hard to judge the conflict with the one sided coverage we get. I guess we will know more in the next week or two.

[Jim Noble]

Why Ukraine Is Winning

Because their unicorns are burying the invaders in Skittles?

[bert]

The coverage is indeed hard to follow. There is in fact a lot of pure propaganda and it is seems necessary to get more than report

I don’t watch any American news. I have been watching You Tube Videos presented by what seem to be independent French and German sources.

I have about three sources I watch every day with 10 minutes or so each. It’s the best I can do

[Repealthe17thAmendment]

I'm not going to say that Ukraine won't win eventually, but most of the news that comes out of there indicates that many thousands of Ukraine citizens have been killed, millions have fled the country, and much of the Ukraine looks like a bombed out mess. In addition, the Russian military is still actively attacking and destroying throughout the country. I don't think that's what winning looks like.

[tlozo]

The troops assigned were apparently second or third rate and not the best

Russian airborne forces were used to take Hostomel Airport north of Kyiv and were chewed up. Security analyst Andrew McGregor described the battle as "Russian Airborne Disaster". These are some of Russia's best troops.

[bert]

I know what your are saying but believe the best troops in the Russian order of battle are in the east.

We’ll see.

In my mind it boils down now in the east to a commanding general. His first task is to stay alive and then deploy his troops to overcome Ukranian resistance. He now knows a good deal about what he is facing and plan accordingly.

I look for the Russian General to be personally attacked and maybe put out of action or killed. I believe that the NATO aircraft monitors all Russian traffic and it is a matter of time to smoke him out. That may be a false hope based on propaganda videos I have seen.

We’ll see

I wish some one would give Ukraine a missile capable of taking out the Hermitage or other prestigious site in St Petersburg. Attack, attack, attack

[catnipman]

” Give the guy a break”

and his regurgitation SOUNDS so AUTHORITATIVE ...

[Kazan]

That's why in cities in Donbass, local governments are raising the Russian flag and are converting their currencies to rubles?

[Wonder Warthog]

"Non-coms, are the real heart of the US military. Making sure things are done, and done right. EVERYTHING works as it's supposed to or there is hell to pay. That means EVERY job is important, from the guy pumping out the sewage to the fighter pilot dropping a guided munition."

This was brought home to me VERY STRONGLY by a YouTube video showing an abandoned bivouac site that had been previously occupied by Russians. It was a pig-sty....trash and garbage strewn everywhere. I knew then that the quality of Russian troops was crappy for just the reasons given in the above quote.