Zelenskyy warns of war in Donbas like 'the world has not seen in hundreds of years' as Russia masses troops for a new offensive on the eastern front

Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | April 9th, 2022 | Joshua Zitser

[Mariner]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday warned of fighting in Donbas that could result in the biggest war in centuries.

Speaking to the German newspaper BILD, owned by Axel Springer, Insider's parent company, Zelenskyy predicted intense fighting in the coming days.

"It could be a big war in Donbas — like the world has not seen in hundreds of years," he told BILD reporter Paul Ronzheimer.

"We will go on defending our country until the end," the Ukrainian president continued.

This chilling forecast echoes what Ukraine's foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba told NATO members on Thursday.

"The battle for Donbas will remind you of the Second World War," Kuleba said.

He used this warning to immediately call on Western allies to provide more heavy weaponry, including air defense systems, artillery, armored vehicles, and jets.

[freeandfreezing]

But I have said clearly and unambiguously that I don’t care.

But you can't even tell the truth about yourself. If you don't care why are you posting on the thread at all? You care, you have an opinion, but you are not even willing to admit what is obviously true by your actions.

Just go ahead and admit the truth. Maybe you like Putin's bravado. Maybe you hate Ukrainians. Maybe you are terrified that the US might get involved in another foreign war, and you think repeating Russian propaganda will help prevent that.

So why are you posting pro Russian statements?

[Mariner]

I started the thread and there’s nothing pro Russian in it.

You’re just not smart enough to discern that.

[SVTCobra03]

Russia’s military logistical problems in Ukraine

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/04/russias-military-logistical-problems-in-ukraine/

[Jimmy Valentine]

Im worried about what we would do if say the Chinese landed in Los Angeles.

[NorseViking]

Liar? Donetsk is not under Russian “assault”.

[lump in the melting pot]

My in-laws who are there right now say otherwise. Been that way since 2014. But I’m sure the conspiracy blog that is your window to the world assures you that everyone who says anything unkind about Russia is a Nazi. Don’t open up to any other possibilities! You might have to change your mind, and who needs that kind of stress, amirite?

[NorseViking]

What is their opinion about 9 years of bombardment? They sure know who did it.

[lump in the melting pot]

The 9 years of aggression was by the Russians.

Anyway, this is what you cheer for, what you celebrate:

https://twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1513757283473408004

I guess for a ‘viking’, rape and looting are part of the fun, right?

[bert]

Car bombs in St Petersburg should be detonated. The Hermatige should be destroyed

[NorseViking]

BS. And you know it.

[lump in the melting pot]

Here’s another:

https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk/status/1513849708204150789

There are thousands like this, thousands of civilians raped, tortured and butchered by your red friends.

But to you, they are all ‘nazis’ who deserve it. Including the children.

[NorseViking]

Would you mind citing any solid evidence linking Russian forces to any of the war crimes?
There are at least two massacres where the evidence is pointing at the Ukrainian false flag, like Bucha and Kramatorsk.
Are you aware that Ukraine released and armed thousands of convicts, including murderers and rapists? They tend to commit atrocities.

[lump in the melting pot]

Same as it ever was:

https://youtu.be/5Ywe5pFT928

That is all the Red Army is good at, all that it has ever been good at.

[lump in the melting pot]

Here’s documentation of a Russian soldier whose wife gives him *permission* to rape Ukrainian women as long as he doesn’t tell her about it and uses a rubber. Their conversation was intercepted, and OSINT was used to identify both of them, call them and confirm their voices and identities:

https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1514964537690177541

But of course this won’t be good enough for you, nothing that contradicts your twisted narrative, from any media source, eyewitness testimony, overwhelming mountain of evidence, nothing will penetrate your skull. Because Trump lost, someone has to suffer, you decided it’s the Ukrainians fault and they deserve what the Russians are doing to them, and that’s it.

Běž do prdele, magore

[NorseViking]

There are entire companies dedicated to the production of fakes regarding this war. How many of their hoaxes have already collapsed? And the idiots keep catching every new hoax.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

All Russia has to do is hold—dig in and make it WW I trench warfare. How long will the Ukrainians have the men to go into No Man’s Land? Now its all Rah-rah for brave Ukrainians
“Defending Democracy” but what happens if it last a few years? When the bloom is off the rose—and America is distracted in some way—Like China misbehaving, or Iran shutting down oil, or Civil War. What happens when Mexico explodes in Civil War and Revolution? What happens when they go Communist (with Cuban help). Not Capitalist state communist—but full Maoist kill the rich American Communists. Who will care for Ukraine then? When America falls into depression—will we wish to give billions to Brave Ukraine when Americans are starving and eating their pets? It happened quick in Venezuela.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

You're still going on about the Budapest Memorandum, after all the stuff I told you before about how

- It's not a treaty;
- It has no enforcement mechanisms beyond going to the UN Security Council;
- No penalties for violations;
- Includes provisions regarding non-interference on not just military matters, but also political and economic ones (which America was guilty of violating on the latter two);
- And that *all* subsequent American administrations did not consider the memo binding whatsoever on the matter of whether military intervention was required?

That's the nature of Realpolitik, and the fiction of "international law": Great Powers uphold agreements and treaties if they believe the terms are in their national interests; otherwise, they think nothing of violating them and telling everyone else to pound sand.

The Budapest Memorandum, in the long term, turned out to be nothing more than political PR (because the Ukrainians had no political capital to resist either America or Russia; Russia went along because it meant getting all of the nukes they had given to Ukraine during the USSR days back; and America did so because nuclear non-proliferation was still the name of the game).

To say the Budapest Memorandum is equivalent to a mutual defense pact is simply not rooted in reality (notwithstanding the fact that the amount of assistance provided to the Ukraine thus far has devolved this conflict into yet another US-Russia proxy war).

We have no business getting involved in a longstanding ethnic feud between two Eastern European nations; not when we don't even have our own house in order.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

“Old School American values” like forcibly displacing the Chickasaws, Choctaws, Muscogee-Creeks, Seminoles, and Cherokees from their territory via the Indian Removal Act of 1830?

[BiglyCommentary]

Do you want to agree with you and leftist trash that America is a scummy evil country?

[Kevmo]

You’re still going on about the Budapest Memorandum, after all the stuff I told you before about how
***You are no expert on this stuff, there is little reason to listen to what you say and take it as gospel.

- It’s not a treaty;
***It is an accession to a Treaty. Asked & Answered
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts?page=142#142

- It has no enforcement mechanisms beyond going to the UN Security Council;
***One of the signatories to the treaty INVADED the other. They called it a “special military exercise” claiming not to be in violation. Hence, we could call it a “special military exercise” to not-invade Ukraine and hold the parties to the provisions in the agreement/treaty that “respect the borders & sovereignty” of Ukraine. What is sauce for the we-didn’t-invade pootypoot goose is sauce for the we-didn’t-invade USA Budapest Amendment keeping gander.

- No penalties for violations;
***Actually, invading the other country isn’t even a violation, to hear pootypoot say it. So there’s no penalty for us to go in and set up an emBASEee of American Land right along the Russian border. From my perspective we should send volunteer American forces in a Lend Lease program where we fight for American emBASEee territory in Ukraine. I call it the emBASEee strategee
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
and the Lend Leasee strategee, the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease approach which would take BALLs.

- Includes provisions regarding non-interference on not just military matters, but also political and economic ones (which America was guilty of violating on the latter two);
***Well, if America is guilty of it then Vlad could not-invade us and retake Alaska so we better be clear about what it means to “respect” current borders from that Agreement.

- And that *all* subsequent American administrations did not consider the memo binding whatsoever on the matter of whether military intervention was required?
***I kinda like this approach, we could just say “Screw Jimmah Cartah” and retake the Panama Canal, retake all the territory we gained in our war with Mexico in 1898, etc.

That’s the nature of Realpolitik, and the fiction of “international law”: Great Powers uphold agreements and treaties if they believe the terms are in their national interests;
***Oh, it is in our national interest to get nuclear nonproliferation correct, that’s for sure.

otherwise, they think nothing of violating them and telling everyone else to pound sand.
***Yeah huh, and when all these islamofascist countries build their nukes just because they saw how the Ukes were treated when they gave up theirs, can we come back to appeasers like you to hold you accountable? Doubtful. Just like it’s doubtful that your position is at all tenable over this set of issues.

The Budapest Memorandum, in the long term, turned out to be nothing more than political PR
***Well that PR will bite us in the ass if we don’t put a lid on the nuclear proliferation that it is engendering.

(because the Ukrainians had no political capital to resist either America or Russia; Russia went along because it meant getting all of the nukes they had given to Ukraine during the USSR days back; and America did so because nuclear non-proliferation was still the name of the game).
***(what’s with all these ()parentheticals) They’re useless. Poor writing. Nuclear nonproliferation is STILL the name of the game.

To say the Budapest Memorandum is equivalent to a mutual defense pact is simply not rooted in reality
***When did I say it’s a mutual defense pact? I didn’t. Hence, that is a straw argument. What I have been saying is that we have moral obligations under that agreement and everyone else in the world can see it except for appeasers here in America.

(notwithstanding the fact that the amount of assistance provided to the Ukraine thus far has devolved this conflict into yet another US-Russia proxy war).
***(take a writing class)

We have no business getting involved in a longstanding
***Not really long standing. Ras Putin wasn’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil & gas were discovered there.

ethnic feud
***It’s more about oil than ethnicity.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
Using language preference as a pretense to invade is what Hitler did in Sudetenland and appeasers have never learnt that lesson.

between two Eastern European nations;
***Our prez SIGNED that sovereignty agreement. When a prez signs a document, he represents us. When UltraSonic7 signs a document, he only represents himself. That’s why Adam caused all creation to fall when he bit off the apple rather than Eve, because Adam represented humanity and Eve didn’t.

not when we don’t even have our own house in order.
***There you go again, right alongside everyone else that’s using our own border as an excuse not to do the right thing.