Posted on 03/15/2022 12:04:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
And Biden is supposedly going to Europe
1938 and Munich come to mind.
Looks like Ukraine is being told to surrender.
Sounds like a good segment of “Conservative Inc” is channeling their inner appeaser these days.
This reminds me of the 1930s British Establishment who thought they could “do business with Hitler”
A negotiated settlement. Stop punishing the people.
The Ukraine has three demands:
How about you pick up sticks
move your troops out and
pull your head out of your ass.
Whatever it is, Washington will get the final say.
If negotiated properly this could stop Putin’s march and safeguard many countries. If that happens Russia can be pulled into the fold of sane nations - as with Japan and Germany after World War II. Tell Putin, “here’s the path to peace, sanity, and having a wealthy country”...
Yeah, it’s a dream but it’d be better having Russia with us or neutral - if we have to take on Iran/China....
Pat’s ready to give the entire Eastern half of Ukraine to Putin, but today there is very little desire among the population there to be a part of Putin’s Russia except for in the Crimea and among the fanatic separatists who control the guns in DPR and LPR.
My guess is that Putin is not going to get serious about a settlement until he makes one final go at taking Kyiv and killing Zelensky and perhaps also a failed attempt to take Odessa and link up to Transnistria.
After they give up their nukes.
Putin isn’t going to get anything east of the Dnieper without a fight. Buchanan is dreaming if he thinks Zelenskyy would accept it, and Russia seems unable or unwilling even to force a successful siege of Kiev.
“As this would restore the situation in Ukraine to the “status quo ante” that existed before Putin ordered the invasion”
That was the reality on the ground before the first shot was fired...excepting the political formalities of such.
“Looks like Ukraine is being told to surrender.”
There was never any choice.
The nut ball posts from that have dominated this thread from those who have completely bought into the MSM narrative are more amusing than scary. Hey idiots, no one wants to start WWIII over protecting the current corrupt regime installed in Ukraine. Biden, Pelosi, Romney and et. al. have “sons” who were paid off big time and they have now honored their obligation with tough talk. Although Biden in a dementia caused moment of honesty is the one who gave the green light to Putin by saying that we wouldn’t do anything if it was just a “minor incursion”.
Wake up you pack of good for nothing arm chair generals. This thing is going to be over soon for the good of everyone except the die hard war hawks who want nothing more than for this thing to blow up and cause the entire world to go into chaos. You have bought into the propaganda and its more than a little embarrassing to the rest of us.
Putin himself called for demilitarization and denazification.
Putin might want Ukraine to have German-type anti-Nazi laws.
Handing alleged “Nazis” over to Russia for trial is probably not in the cards.
Demilitarization would need to be limited to types of weapons and depend on location. The Russians should clarify what they expect.
Neutrality is probably a must.
Each side should specify the territory it wants (Russia) and is willing to relinquish (Ukraine).
The EU negotiator for Brexit (picked by Macron I believe) seemed to be a tough negotiator.
Perhaps his services could be useful.
Take a look at a picture of Putin.
He is perfectly comfortable handing out death.
Chamberlain was welcomed home after Munich by cheering crowds lining British streets.
It was Hitler who blew the Munich deal by taking over all of Czechoslovakia.
Nobody is that stupid.
“Demilitarization would need to be limited to types of weapons and depend on location. The Russians should clarify what they expect.”
The problem is what credibility does Russia have? If Ukraine disarms what is to stop Putin trying to invade for a third time?
They had a neutrality agreement signed in 1994 for Ukraine to give up its nukes. Russia violated it.
Ukraine needs to either be in NATO, or it needs to be a Taiwan/Israel style fortress state.
No it wasn't. Ukraine had the inherent right of any sovereign nation to join other nations in collective self-defense. Putin is demanding it surrender that right.
And even on the ground, the pro-Russia separatists only controlled portions of Donbas and Luhansk. Russia's proposal has them more than doubling that territory.
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